Comments on: Why I Don't Go to Church Anymore! http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/why-i-dont-go-to-church-anymore/ Heart of Wisdom Author Tue, 07 Feb 2012 00:34:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Covey Scott http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/why-i-dont-go-to-church-anymore/#comment-8783 Covey Scott Thu, 10 Nov 2011 18:33:10 +0000 http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/?p=2722#comment-8783 Thank God for this site. I was recently baptized at a Christian church (brick and mortar building). The very first thing the Pastor said even before I was baptized was,"Now you can pay tithing." I may be a new Christian but I know I'm not under the Law. I was appalled that this Pastor said this to me when the opportunity presented itself for him to thank God for my salvation. He might have said, "Praise God for the gift of salvation, I'm so happy you found Christ." Needless to say I haven't been back to that church. You are right, Church is the individual not a stone building. My worship is done at home and I assemble with other Christians socially via work, shopping, running errands, home Bible studies, etc. I'm happy to see I'm not the only Christian who was feeling the way I was. Thank God for this site. I was recently baptized at a Christian church (brick and mortar building). The very first thing the Pastor said even before I was baptized was,”Now you can pay tithing.”
I may be a new Christian but I know I’m not under the Law.
I was appalled that this Pastor said this to me when the opportunity presented itself for him to thank God for my salvation. He might have said, “Praise God for the gift of salvation, I’m so happy you found Christ.”
Needless to say I haven’t been back to that church. You are right, Church is the individual not a stone building.
My worship is done at home and I assemble with other Christians socially via work, shopping, running errands, home Bible studies, etc.
I’m happy to see I’m not the only Christian who was feeling the way I was.

]]> By: j.elohim http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/why-i-dont-go-to-church-anymore/#comment-7988 j.elohim Thu, 20 Oct 2011 11:23:02 +0000 http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/?p=2722#comment-7988 YEAH SUSAN! she called the anti-christ a nazi! and now she's under attak by the nazi's world-wide.. .................... since unconstanttine (sic) declared paganism a state religion and REQUIRED ALL to be in it(and killed the true believers, btw) since before 312a.d., the enemy of Christ, the enemy of life, the enemy of truth, the enemy of all that is good and right - yes! the ANTIChrist has built zillions of churches all over the world. and JUST LIKE TODAY FOR YOU FEW TRUE - "The pagan communities in which they lived were JUDGING them for keeping God’s Feasts and Sabbaths " so it is today, worldwide, everywhere. so, don't be surprise what firey trials await you... and don't worry if you are still in a church- stay there, for now, if you can... THEY WILL KICK YOU OUT SOON because you love the truth and stand up/speak up for the truth(no chruch can stand the truth to be proclaimed). just like JOAN OF ARC, just like MRTN LUTHEr, just like CHARLES CHINIQUOY , just like "all of the saints whose blood was shed BY THE CHURCH", the church WILL KICK YOU OUT if you LOVE THE TRUTH. ..... PEACE! SHALOM! outside the walls, in truth, in Christ, in Yahshua's LIFE in YHVH.... no peace in the evil church. question it? did you know that the word church is not even in Scripture? and that ekklesia is! "called out ones" CALLED OUT OF HER(pagan church/society) BY THE CREATOR... by the CREATOR- listen to HIM ONLY, ABBA ELOHIM. YEAH SUSAN! she called the anti-christ a nazi!
and now she’s under attak by the nazi’s world-wide..
………………..
since unconstanttine (sic) declared paganism a state religion and REQUIRED ALL to be in it(and killed the true believers, btw)
since before 312a.d., the enemy of Christ, the enemy of life, the enemy of truth, the enemy of all that is good and right – yes! the ANTIChrist has built zillions of churches all over the world.
and JUST LIKE TODAY FOR YOU FEW TRUE -
“The pagan communities in which they lived were JUDGING them for keeping God’s Feasts and Sabbaths ”
so it is today, worldwide, everywhere.
so,
don’t be surprise what firey trials await you…
and don’t worry if
you are still in a church-
stay there, for now, if you can… THEY WILL KICK YOU OUT SOON because you love the truth and stand up/speak up for the truth(no chruch can stand the truth to be proclaimed).
just like JOAN OF ARC, just like MRTN LUTHEr,
just like CHARLES CHINIQUOY ,
just like “all of the saints whose blood was shed BY THE CHURCH”,
the church WILL KICK YOU OUT if you LOVE THE TRUTH.
…..
PEACE! SHALOM! outside the walls, in truth, in Christ, in Yahshua’s LIFE in YHVH….
no peace in the evil church.
question it? did you know that the word church is not even in Scripture?
and
that ekklesia is! “called out ones”
CALLED OUT OF HER(pagan church/society) BY THE CREATOR…
by the CREATOR- listen to HIM ONLY, ABBA ELOHIM.

]]> By: sherry http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/why-i-dont-go-to-church-anymore/#comment-4852 sherry Tue, 20 Sep 2011 19:58:15 +0000 http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/?p=2722#comment-4852 I want to Thank You for your bravery in publishing this article. It is exactly how I feel and what I am going through. :) I now understand what others have gone through over the years. I also can understand those who have been considered "back Sliding" when it had nothing to do with it. I think a lot of the churches today have a lot of gossip, hatred, and putting down others. Why in the world would anyone want to be there to be put under a microscope and picked apart like a bug when they walk in the door? I believe it is a change within that God makes in us. We are made in his image and if we don't like what he made then we really don't like him. So I have recently had a struggle with the.... " What Church do you go to." because some people don't understand that it isn't the affiliation that you belong to but the body of Christ that we personally are held accountable to. Not a building, Not a congregation, Not a preacher, but solely to God. Thanks again for being able to put it all into words so well! God Bless and keep the work going. :) I want to Thank You for your bravery in publishing this article. It is exactly how I feel and what I am going through. :) I now understand what others have gone through over the years. I also can understand those who have been considered “back Sliding” when it had nothing to do with it.

I think a lot of the churches today have a lot of gossip, hatred, and putting down others. Why in the world would anyone want to be there to be put under a microscope and picked apart like a bug when they walk in the door? I believe it is a change within that God makes in us. We are made in his image and if we don’t like what he made then we really don’t like him. So I have recently had a struggle with the…. ” What Church do you go to.” because some people don’t understand that it isn’t the affiliation that you belong to but the body of Christ that we personally are held accountable to. Not a building, Not a congregation, Not a preacher, but solely to God. Thanks again for being able to put it all into words so well! God Bless and keep the work going. :)

]]> By: A. http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/why-i-dont-go-to-church-anymore/#comment-4851 A. Tue, 06 Sep 2011 09:55:08 +0000 http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/?p=2722#comment-4851 Jesus came to save us and give us a personal relationship with God and fellowship with other believers in the body of Christ. The Church is not a physical building but the church is each member of the body which Christ is the head. People are thirsty and longing for a genuine experience with the Lord and want to experience his presence, not just dead rituals and warmed over sermons. I have an issue of wanting to attend a Church where no one speaks to you from the time you walk into the parking lot till when you leave. If all someone is doing is attending a church where you stare at the back of someone's head in the pew in front of you and don't interact with fellow members you might as well stay home and watch a Church service online or television. We are called to be a body jointly fit together with our spiritual family for sharing, caring and encouraging one another. Jesus came to save us and give us a personal relationship with God and fellowship with other believers in the body of Christ. The Church is not a physical building but the church is each member of the body which Christ is the head. People are thirsty and longing for a genuine experience with the Lord and want to experience his presence, not just dead rituals and warmed over sermons.
I have an issue of wanting to attend a Church where no one speaks to you from the time you walk into the parking lot till when you leave.
If all someone is doing is attending a church where you stare at the back of someone’s head in the pew in front of you and don’t interact with fellow members you might as well stay home and watch a Church service online or television.
We are called to be a body jointly fit together with our spiritual family for sharing, caring and encouraging one another.

]]> By: Subella http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/why-i-dont-go-to-church-anymore/#comment-4850 Subella Tue, 06 Sep 2011 03:39:58 +0000 http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/?p=2722#comment-4850 supernaturalhousechurch is what I found. Thank you ! supernaturalhousechurch is what I found. Thank you !

]]> By: Subella http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/why-i-dont-go-to-church-anymore/#comment-4849 Subella Tue, 06 Sep 2011 03:35:35 +0000 http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/?p=2722#comment-4849 There's obviously a heartcry for reality, and genuine relationship with the Lord AND His people here. It seems from the posts on here that we've all got that longing. Most probably, in God's economy, the desire for true fellowship is in our hearts because we are going to HAVE TO FELLOWSHIP LOCALLY IN HOUSES IN THE NEAR FUTURE. What if petrol becomes impossible to buy ? Persecution,etc,etc ?? There is sadness over abuse issues, over programs that are boring, superficial, or even unscriptural, on here, but I don't think there is rebellion against the Lord Himself. What constitutes 'a church' and what doesn't ?? It can be hard to judge, and who are we to judge a brother or sister who is willing to walk in God's will for them ?? I once lived in a hamlet where there was a 'proper church', and a house church. Which to attend ?? The individual situation must decide it. The 'proper denominational church' had an unsaved minister and a lot of religion 'by the book' - their 'prayer book'. The house church of six people were Bible-obeying, Holy-Spirit-filled believers in Jesus. This is the sort of choice we have, and we should not judge anyone who is trying to get it right. Let me agree that church youth groups and even children's-church groups can be very worldly and spiritually dangerous. Wise-up parents! I just found . This is what I long to be a part of, as the Lord leads, because God's presence is just not in the places I know as 'houses of God'. God guide us all. There’s obviously a heartcry for reality, and genuine relationship with the Lord AND His people here.
It seems from the posts on here that we’ve all got that longing.
Most probably, in God’s economy, the desire for true fellowship is in our hearts because we are going to HAVE TO FELLOWSHIP LOCALLY IN HOUSES IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

What if petrol becomes impossible to buy ? Persecution,etc,etc ??

There is sadness over abuse issues, over programs that are boring, superficial, or even unscriptural, on here, but I don’t think there is rebellion against the Lord Himself.
What constitutes ‘a church’ and what doesn’t ?? It can be hard to judge, and who are we to judge a brother or sister who is willing to walk in God’s will for them ??

I once lived in a hamlet where there was a ‘proper church’, and a house church. Which to attend ??
The individual situation must decide it.

The ‘proper denominational church’ had an unsaved minister and a lot of religion ‘by the book’ – their ‘prayer book’.
The house church of six people were Bible-obeying, Holy-Spirit-filled believers in Jesus.

This is the sort of choice we have, and we should not judge anyone who is trying to get it right.

Let me agree that church youth groups and even children’s-church groups can be very worldly and spiritually dangerous. Wise-up parents!

I just found .
This is what I long to be a part of, as the Lord leads, because God’s presence is just not in the places I know as ‘houses of God’.

God guide us all.

]]> By: Katie @ Imperfect People http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/why-i-dont-go-to-church-anymore/#comment-4848 Katie @ Imperfect People Sun, 04 Sep 2011 01:48:59 +0000 http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/?p=2722#comment-4848 Your title caught my eye. I wrote a similar post "I'm not good enough to go to church" http://www.imperfectpeople.net/post/2011/01/20/Ie28099m-not-good-enough-to-go-to-church.aspx But it's true church is not the building but the people. Thanks for your post! Your title caught my eye. I wrote a similar post “I’m not good enough to go to church” http://www.imperfectpeople.net/post/2011/01/20/Ie28099m-not-good-enough-to-go-to-church.aspx
But it’s true church is not the building but the people. Thanks for your post!

]]> By: admin http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/why-i-dont-go-to-church-anymore/#comment-4847 admin Wed, 17 Aug 2011 12:41:36 +0000 http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/?p=2722#comment-4847 WOW, you are waaay off and leaning heavy toward anti-semitism. Paul NEVER taught against Sabbath or the dietary laws EVER! He kept the Sabbath, Feast days and the dietary laws his entire life as did all the apostles. He taught against Judaising--salvation by works or tacked on man's rules. He never taught again the law (Instruction). The Apostle Paul kept the Sabbath. Notice Acts 17:2 -"And according to Paul's custom, he went to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures." Notice Also Acts 13:42 -"And as Paul and Barnabas were going out, the people kept begging that these things might be spoken to them the next SABBATH." This was forty years after the death and resurrection of Jesus, and Paul was still preaching weekly on the Sabbath day. The Bible records no dispute between the Christians and the Jews concerning the observance of the Sabbath day. There was a dispute whether the Gentile converts to Christianity were to be circumcised or not. A dispute so great that a general church council was held to settle the matter.(Acts 15) The fact that there is absolutely no council held nor dispute concerning Sabbath observance proves that <strong>Christians kept the same day as the Jews did. Adding to this, Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles kept it "as was his custom", we can see no real reason to believe that the early church kept another day. </strong> In Romans 14 Paul is confronting the RELIGIOUS bickering not God's law. In Col 2:14-16 Paul addressed the people of the Church in Colossae which God had called out of very pagan environments. The pagan communities in which they lived were JUDGING them for keeping God's Feasts and Sabbaths (as they should have been) because they were drinking wine and feasting and not following pagan rituals of self denial. Paul's Sabbath keeping: Acts 13:14 "on the Sabbath day they went into the synagogue and sat down" Acts 13:44 "And the next Sabbath nearly the whole city assembled to hear the word of God Acts 16:13 "And on the Sabbath day we went outside the gate to a riverside, where we were supposing that there would be a place of prayer; and we sat down and began speaking to the women who had assembled. Acts 17:2 "And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three Sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures." Acts 18:4,11 "And <strong>he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath.</strong><ul> " ... "And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them." For more see http://heartofwisdom.com/biblicalholidays/?p=117 WOW, you are waaay off and leaning heavy toward anti-semitism. Paul NEVER taught against Sabbath or the dietary laws EVER! He kept the Sabbath, Feast days and the dietary laws his entire life as did all the apostles. He taught against Judaising–salvation by works or tacked on man’s rules. He never taught again the law (Instruction).

The Apostle Paul kept the Sabbath. Notice Acts 17:2 -”And according to Paul’s custom, he went to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures.” Notice Also Acts 13:42 -”And as Paul and Barnabas were going out, the people kept begging that these things might be spoken to them the next SABBATH.”

This was forty years after the death and resurrection of Jesus, and Paul was still preaching weekly on the Sabbath day.

The Bible records no dispute between the Christians and the Jews concerning the observance of the Sabbath day. There was a dispute whether the Gentile converts to Christianity were to be circumcised or not. A dispute so great that a general church council was held to settle the matter.(Acts 15) The fact that there is absolutely no council held nor dispute concerning Sabbath observance proves that Christians kept the same day as the Jews did. Adding to this, Paul, the Apostle to the Gentiles kept it “as was his custom”, we can see no real reason to believe that the early church kept another day.

In Romans 14 Paul is confronting the RELIGIOUS bickering not God’s law.

In Col 2:14-16 Paul addressed the people of the Church in Colossae which God had called out of very pagan environments. The pagan communities in which they lived were JUDGING them for keeping God’s Feasts and Sabbaths (as they should have been) because they were drinking wine and feasting and not following pagan rituals of self denial.

Paul’s Sabbath keeping:
Acts 13:14 “on the Sabbath day they went into the synagogue and sat down”
Acts 13:44 “And the next Sabbath nearly the whole city assembled to hear the word of God
Acts 16:13 “And on the Sabbath day we went outside the gate to a riverside, where we were supposing that there would be a place of prayer; and we sat down and began speaking to the women who had assembled.
Acts 17:2 “And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three Sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures.”
Acts 18:4,11 “And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath.

]]> By: A. http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/why-i-dont-go-to-church-anymore/#comment-4846 A. Wed, 17 Aug 2011 08:41:31 +0000 http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/?p=2722#comment-4846 My comment to Admin is: The early Church was not perfect and pure in doctrine either, they had their doctrinal differences too. The disputes were on which Old Covenant laws to adhere to, such as circumcision and Sabbath. Paul had to write not to judge people on these other Mosaic laws like Sabbath and eating what was once considered unclean foods. See Col. 2:16 their were Judaizers in the Church who wanted Gentiles to keep the Old Covenant laws, it was addressed in Acts 15 and there had to be a meeting about this with the original Apostles and the Apostle Paul. A letter was given to Paul to take back to the Gentiles with instructions Acts 15:28 I do agree that once the early followers of the Way (Jesus) were kicked out of the Synagogues they had to meet in houses and latter scattered to other cities because of the heavy persecution after the death of a Deacon named Stephen who was stoned to death! My comment to Admin is: The early Church was not perfect and pure in doctrine either, they had their doctrinal differences too.
The disputes were on which Old Covenant laws to adhere to, such as circumcision and Sabbath. Paul had to write not to judge people on these other Mosaic laws like Sabbath and eating what was once considered unclean foods. See Col. 2:16 their were Judaizers in the Church who wanted Gentiles to keep the Old Covenant laws, it was addressed in Acts 15 and there had to be a meeting about this with the original Apostles and the Apostle Paul. A letter was given to Paul to take back to the Gentiles with instructions Acts 15:28
I do agree that once the early followers of the Way (Jesus) were kicked out of the Synagogues they had to meet in houses and latter scattered to other cities because of the heavy persecution after the death of a Deacon named Stephen who was stoned to death!

]]> By: A. http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/why-i-dont-go-to-church-anymore/#comment-4845 A. Wed, 17 Aug 2011 08:29:04 +0000 http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/?p=2722#comment-4845 I tried to click the the likes button on Carol's comment but nothing happened. I benefited on what she had to say! I tried to click the the likes button on Carol’s comment but nothing happened. I benefited on what she had to say!

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