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When Prayer Was Taken Out of School

In 1962, the Court examined a simple twenty-two word prayer, first used to negate prayer in schools:

“Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon Thee, and we beg Thy blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers, and our country.”

This simple prayer, said by children, acknowledged God. Americans’ indifference allowed the removal of prayer from our schools. This is but one of the steps toward complete destruction of America’s original Judeo-Christian educational system. This value-free environment has resulted in chaos.

David Barton graphically illustrates how America has plummeted from righteous living, prosperity, and success in the last quarter-century. Consider the following charts compiled from his publication, America: America: To Pray or Not to Pray

Since the 1962 removal of prayer:

SAT Total Scores


CASES OF SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES

Includes: Gonorrhea, Syphillis, Chancroid,
Granuloma Inguinale, Lymphgranuloma Venereum, and AIDS

PREGNANCIES TO UNWED GIRLS

Under 15 Years of Age

PREGNANCIES TO UNWED GIRLS

Under 15-19 Years of Age

BIRTH RATES FOR UNWED GIRLS

Under 15-19 Years of Age

PRE-MARITAL SEX

Percentage of U.S. Teenage Girls
Who Have Had Pre-Marital Intercourse

SINGLE PARENT HOUSEHOLDS

Female Head, No Spouse Present

UNMARRIED COUPLES LIVING TOGETHER
YEAR

Prior to 1977, unmarried couples living together was such a small group that data on this group was collected only in the 10-year census reports.* Note: Unmarried couples represented only 1 in 85 of all couples in 1970,
compared with 1 in 25 in 1983. Basic data from Statistical Abstracts of the United States

DIVORCE RATES

“The U.S. is at the top of the world’s divorce charts on marital breakups.”
U.S. News and World Report, June 8, 1987, pp. 68-69
“The number of divorces tripled each year between 1962 and 1981.”
Time, July 13, 1987, p. 21

ALCOHOL CONSUMPTION PER CAPITA

VIOLENT CRIME: Number of Offenses


Homeschool Prayer

Father, give me wisdom and grace to be a teacher of my children. Fill me with the knowledge of Your will through all spiritual wisdom and understanding; fill my heart with Your love and Your Word. Help me daily teach by example that Your Word should be priority over the things of this world.

Give me strength according to Your glorious might so that I may have great endurance and patience. Help me be diligent and wise to teach these children Your Word as You command. Help me persevere in Your ways, Your love and presence. Make my life an example, an influence as I educate these children for you. Keep my eyes on You, on Your vision, Your plans, and Your purposes for our family.

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  1. 1
    Robyn says:

    Hi Robin,
    Thanks for adding me on your Sunday Meme, I agree with the prayer, first it starts in the home. When they took prayer out of school the same year President Kennedy was assasinated…..thanks for your wonderful comments on my blog. Have a great week Robin!!!

    Robyn’s last blog post..Our newest angel is here….

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    Lara says:

    WOW! It is AMAZING how when we line up with God’s Word and HE is first ALL things are better…What ashame that we let this happen as a nation. :(

    Lara’s last blog post..Lily of the Valley – Free Blogger Template

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    Jewelz says:

    Hi, this is Jewelz, an active blogger at http://imciamstrong.blogspot.com. I was wondering if you could post our link on your site to support the youth in making the right decisions.

    Jewelz’s last blog post..the eleven “shoulds” to effective studying

  4. 4
    Jewelz says:

    Thank you.

    Jewelz’s last blog post..the eleven “shoulds” to effective studying

  5. 5
    Sire says:

    Just a question, do you notes still say, ?In God We Trust”?

    Sire’s last blog post..The Whispering Wall Holds No Secrets

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    Lydia says:

    I go to a Christian school and I am doing a paper on when prayer was taken out of school, why it was taken out of school, and the effect it has had on America. If anybody has any information for me please e-mail me at: lydia_mccarty@hotmail.com Thank you :idea:

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    tatum says:

    this is just absurd. prayer has nothing to do with any of those things. with prayer still in the school sat score would still be sinking. why? because there have been things like myspace,playstation and better things to do then reading books & worrying about school. which god knows the majority of kids don’t do. secondly std rates are climbing because america is teaching abstience only programs that don’t actually teach ANYONE how to protect themselves. AND prayer in school has NOTHING to do with the rest of those things. Those things are outside of school. And if prayer is so important why isn’t it done in the home? Which should then have prevented these things from happening anyway.

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    The only thing I can say is: Wow!

    I went to a Catholic grade school and High School, and I think that helped me a lot growing up. But when I went to college, I did find myself slipping a little.

    Very interesting stats.

    Prayer Podcasts’s last blog post..Joyce Meyer Podcasts

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    miriam says:

    I very much enjoyed reading this. I have used that simple prayer in one of my governments essays before. My teacher loved it! She put my essay in the news paper =)

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    beth says:

    this separation of church and state is bringing the ruin and fall of america if you think america is a super power because you are very smart YOU ARE WRONG once america turns her back on GOD America is through and will begin to collapse JUST REMEMBER NEBUCHADNEZZAR this is what is happening to America if America was a superpower it was for the blessings of God not because they are super smart. if God has not judged yet America its because of its support of Israel and for all the Christians that are still in America. You can see all the consecuences of turning our back on God Crime abortion (SAVE THE WHALES BUT KILL THE BABIES) gangs children giving birth to children everything has increased but people are SO BLIND they dont want to see it they want God out of America YOULL HAVE IT Just give thanks to those liberals and to ACLU and Freedom from religion foundation for the consecuences

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    Ken Cook says:

    I stumbled upon this blog, and thought that this is some good stuff. However, I would really like to know, from whom you got the statistics on the first batch of Graphs. Also, do you know if any of these are peer-reviewed findings?

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  13. 13
    Linda says:

    Knew everything had really gotten bad since they took prayer out of school. But did not know it had gotten so bad so quickly. God bless you for having this. Wish everyone in the world would read it and realize just what has happened, is still happening and what is going to happen if they stop evil now. It was just one way evil eliminates it’ opposition. And we continue to let it.

  14. 14
    Brandie says:

    Wow…Great post!

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    SciTeacher says:

    There is an important sentence that everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, should memorize and recite when reading posts such as this. It goes–

    Correlation does not imply causation.

    If ice cream sales and shark bites go up at the same time, does that mean one caused the other?

    Promiscuity, STDs, crime, and war were around loooong before public schools were invented.

    How absurd to think that children not uttering a one sentence prayer in unison after uttering the pledge during first hour causes teenage pregnancy. Didn’t you know that babies come from having sex?

    Oh, never mind.

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    Kimberly says:

    Seriously? Because we are not praying this simple prayer the world has gone completely off? Are we that simple minded a country? Could my Japanese friend be right Americans are slowly educated people and are not as advanced as the rest of the people in the world?

    Well I can honestly say if you believe that article I have a shoe I need to sell because I cannot find its match…

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    preparingthe way for theLord says:

    Biblical prophecy fulfilled! The bible says in Romans1:18-32 18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

    19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

    23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

    25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

    29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

    30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

    31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

    32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

    People are working so hard to find justification for their sins, that they will go to any length to argue against the truth.
    For we all know the word says in John 3:18-20 18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

    20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

    Those who live in sin hate the light because it exposes them for who they really are.
    This shows everyone has conviction about good and evil. That reveals the fact that God has given every man a soul. That is just one more proof of the truth that God is who he says he is. You can run but you can’t hide. All will be judged and though you may fool everyone on earth you can’t fool God. No matter how hard the world tries to take God out of everything, God still remains yesterday, today, and forever. By the way, if it was not for God’s grace not one of us would be breathing right now. Prayer in public schools is only one aspect of America’s demise. How about rallying to take the ten commandments away, removing in God we trust, and supporting all of the things God stands against. Satan’s time is short so he is working overtime but let me assure you the book has been written, the victory is won, and no amount of evil can stop it. By the way, prophecy is being fulfilled. Look at Israel, look at the issues our world is facing.(Matthew 24) By the way, education and knowledge mean nothing what can our finite minds truly comprehend. We are but dust, that God has breathed life into. Ignorance will destroy many and those who think they really know, truly know nothing. We don’t even have control of our next breath, why do so many believe they are mighty. Lean to an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent source, cast your cares upon him. Matthew 6:27Which of you by taking thought can add one cubit unto his stature?
    What do you truly have control of on your own? You don’t even know what is going to happen in five minutes with complete certainty but God knows from the beginning to the end.

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    Hi, I stumbled on your blog looking for the court case of when prayer was taken out of school and when the gov decided to take the rights of the parents to spank their children, that GOD gave them to train up. Yes taking prayer out of school did have an adverse affect on this nation. When I started school there was a fear that if I did something that I wasn’t suppose to, that God would see and punish me. But as I got older and prayer was ommited, the fear slowly replaced with disobedience and you can’t touch me syndrome. It was a domino effect.No prayer,no spanking,no discipline,and no consequences. Replaced with child abuse,sexual immorality and God knows what else. We as Christians and lovers of our Lord JESUS CHRIST need to take back what the devil is trying to steal. Our children. They can’t lock us all up. If you find this case please e-mail me the info. Thanks

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    William Rheingold says:

    These “statistics” prove nothing. Any accurate population growth curve would be exponential, reflecting the increased birth and survival rates, and the “rule of 70″ used by population models that Barton seems to lack any acquaintance with.

    I am an atheist. I am also a high school student. I do not pray. I do not have sex. I do not smoke, I do not drink, I do not use drugs. My SAT scores are significantly higher than thew national average, an average, I may add, that includes students who pray several times a day. Does this mean I am better than them? Of course not. However, I do not have God (of any sort) in my life, and I do not feel the lack. Many of my friends are religious. I have helped one of my friends reconcile his homosexuality and Christianity, and watched another renounce God along with the parents who beat it into her.

    Prayer has nothing to do with anything.

    Cum hoc ergo propter hoc

    Correlation does not imply causality.

    Will

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    Brad says:

    A couple of thoughts – first, if you plotted the growth of faszt foods (e.g. McDonalds, Burger King) you will find a very high correlation – yet I don’t want to argue that SAT scores are falling due to Big Macs. Second, if you plot time spent watching TV, you will also find a very high correlation (and when the internet time is included, even better correlation). Now I might want to argue that TV is causal – in fact it is far more likely that TV watching is related to a drop in SAT scores and an increase in STD’s (and so on from the various statistics cited). A part of the problem is that with the increase in TV watching we have a decrease in interaction between parents and children – and I suspect that is more causal than TV by itself.

    Whether or not prayer is said in a classroom will have very little impact on the children in that classroom if their parents are not teaching their children a set of values that in turn guide their life. I’ve barely touched on this topic here, the causes for the drop in achievement scores and the increase in STD’s and so on has many causes, and many more things that are highly correlated. To try to reduce the problem to something relatively small is to deny the responsibility that we all have in the way we raise our kids. How many of you put your kid in front of the TV, with a good movie or not – it doesn’t matter – instead of spending time with your child. If we could get an accurate measure of time spent with children, I suspect that we would see the highest correlation, and it is fairly easy to demonstrate that this is causal as related to the dire statistics presented here.

    Some one above stated that the correlation was just too high to be coincidence, but if you look at all the things that happened in 1962, why is this judicial decision more likely to cause problems than some of the things I have mentioned = as to correlation not being a demonstration of causality – during the years after WWII, there is an extremely high negative correlation ( an increase in one means a decrease in the other) between the number of Pygmies in Africa and the number of oil wells in the Gulf of Mexico, by the logic of high coincidence, we would have to argue that setting up oil wells (poking holes in the sea bed?) in the Gulf of Mexico is killing the Pygmies in Africa – I rather doubt it.

    Don’t blame prayer in school for a far more pressing problem – in our chase of the “good life” we are not raising our children, and no matter what is on the TV, it is no substitute for parent child interaction.

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    Trio says:

    Um the graphs being used are extremely misleading being that they don’t start at 0. It is considered statistical lying only because if they started at 0 the change would not be that much almost insignificant. If p-values were shown then one could make a more educated decisions as to whether or not there was a difference. Also most the rises in the graphs can be explained psychological due to increase of population. The tests were not conducted in an accurate manner so I currently must fail to reject the null until better data can be obtained.

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    Mark says:

    I find your argument to be absurd and just plain wrong. Anyone can pray in school anytime that they want, just as they can not pray if they so choose.

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    Michael Phillips says:

    What is missed here is the obvious fact that Prayer in School, as such, is just the beginning. At that time in history, many things were being moved from a religious viewpoint to a secular viewpoint. This departure from the moral teachings of the religious community, and acceptance of the secular viewpoint, has lead to a definite deterioration in many if not most of those things that determine where we are as a nation.

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    AES says:

    Praying is expressing our gratitude for God’s help and protection. It is supremely selfish, arrogant, and ungrateful to say prayer “offends” you. That is like saying, “I owe nothing to you, God, for I am my own god, and I will be my own god and go my own way, even while I am breathing God’s air and living on God’s planet. I will take and take and never even say thank you. Plus, I will prevent others from expressing their thanks because it offends ME.”

    For those who deny that there is a God or that his ways are right and our ways are wrong, examine how the world would be if we really obeyed Jesus Christ. We would love one another, share everything, and live circumspectly with honor, trust, and goodness. There would be no more poverty, wickedness, or other problems.

    Now take a look at what happens when we live by men’s wisdom. Men say that only the fittest survive, and that you should look to your own survival, your own wants, your own needs. They say you should satisfy your own lusts, because, after all, is it not natural? Imagine a world in which everyone were always engaging in such behaviors. Men would not nurture women in any way, for women would be just objects to acquire or discard, and children would be a nuisance, not to be allowed to interfere with a man’s lifestyle. Mothers would abandon their babies because, after all, the babies were an encumbrance. Better yet, why not kill the babies before they were born, avoiding additional inconvenience? Note that if everyone behaved like this, the entire human race would be wiped out.

    This should sound familiar because it’s going on now. It’s part of the “I don’t have to pray or acknowledge God” attitude.” This, and all variations of going your own way rather than following the Lord, will bring on destruction. You can believe that the Founding Fathers knew this and tried to instill values and protections so that we could obey God rather than men. There is no benefit in placing men’s values above God’s. There is only complete destruction of all that is good, wholesome, and worthwhile. Make no mistake, those who abandon prayer are abandoning protection, safety, and prosperity … all of which are blessings from a good and gracious God.

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    Steve Smith says:

    I’d like to start with this; I’m a huge fan of religion. So long as it’s not hateful or a hindrance to others, than I fully support it. I especially respect much of the Christian doctrine, and the idea of forgiveness I greatly respect (though not a big fan of original sin, but that’s besides the point).

    However, stuff like this has simply got to stop. Anyone who’s taken statistics can tell you what an utter crock this information is.

    Firstly, it does not take into account population change. That more or less eliminates the reliability of any of these charts, but let’s ignore that fact for now.

    Now, let me give you an example of a similar way of distorting facts:

    On October 7th of 1941, John Curtin became the 14th Prime Minister of Australia. As I’m sure you know, just two months later, Japan attacked Pearl Harbor.

    Therefor, John Curtin is to blame for U.S. involvement in WWII.

    Ridiculous, but you’ve done the exact same thing here. Do you know what event also happened in 1962? The merging of The United Lutheran Church in America, Finnish Evangelical Lutheran Church of America, American Evangelical Lutheran Church, and Augustana Evangelical Lutheran Church into the Lutheran Church of America.

    So, was the merging of all the Lutheran Churches the cause of the increase in STD’s? I have just as much evidence as you have.

    This is why I’m glad my parents allowed me to choose my own faith. I don’t have to defend my own religion from people who appear to be trying to actively destroy it, from the inside. There is NO benefit to trying to deceive people, or falsely reinforce your own faith through flawed logic. And really, there are only two reasons why this was posted; one, you’re trying to convince people to allow prayer by using evidence you KNOW is completely inaccurate, or two, you’re grasping for straws in order to prove to yourself you’re right. It would seem to me a person of such strong faith wouldn’t need positive re-enforcement to keep it strong.

    If you feel the need to respond, and I encourage it, I will not even acknowledge anyone who a.) threatens me with damnation or anything similar, b.) merely says, “You’re wrong because I say so”, or c.) tries to use my age as if it had any bearing on my argument.

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    Rebecca says:

    Hey Steve, can I have your babies?

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    Tony Mercado says:

    The truth in the matter is that this country was founded under the principle of God. You can believe it or not but God is real. You see every time that the world tries to prove that the things of God are not real or try to disclaim that the facts that are in the bible are not true or never happened they always prove themselves wrong and God right.

    Steve can you prove the big bang theory to be true? The truth of the word of God is really what matters to me. And I believe that the fear of you knowing that all these things are true is what drives you to your comments. You need to see that it is very different now, but it has a lot to do with the decision that were made earlier in our lives.

    If you get a girl pregnant when you’re about 15 years old it will have a big impact in your life and things will really change for you. And that has to do with the decision you made. Those decisions you make now will can dictate and have a great impact in your future.

    Same thing when it comes to praying in schools and having a relationship with Christ. Your choice will set your future, believe or not.

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    Anonymous says:

    In the end everyone will have to answer to God and be held accountable for what we did or didnt do. One day some of you are going to wish you prayed to God and acknowledged Him. How can you be here on Earth and not know someone created you I feel so sorry for people who think this way there is an aferlife which is eternity And being an educater myself I see how the school systems are messed up Children are running the schools it caos. And for those that feel that you dont need God and your life is just perfect your lying keep it real cuz life is not easy for anyone but I put my faith and trust in the Lord and I know whatever Im going through it may me hard hurtful but when I have done all i can I just let Him do the rest. I dont expect nonbelievers to understand but you can understand just open your heart. lol I know I will get smart responses to this but o well they laugh and talked about Jesus too hey they crusified him but he rose again so that we all can have eternal life EVERYONE no matter what you have done WE ARE ALL SINNERS and be with our heavenly father you gotta see the bigger picture there is more than this world there is better. Romans 3: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. But like I said i know there may be smart comments after this but for every smart comment maybe one or two will understand. God bless all of you : ) Romans 6: 23 For the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

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    Steve Smith says:

    Rebecca: Sorry, but I’m pretty sure I quality as jailbait. =P

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    * What the secular world calls wisdom excludes God, stresses human self-sufficiency, makes humanity the highest authority, and refuses to recognize God’s revelation in Jesus Christ. God calls this worldly wisdom foolishness:
    * For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God (1 Corinthians 1:18).
    * For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe (1 Corinthians 1:21).
    * .but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles (1 Corinthians 1:23).
    * For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength (1 Corinthians 1:25).
    * The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned (1 Corinthians 2:14).
    * For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness” (1 Corinthians 3:19).

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    Liars Figure and figures lie says:

    Steve,

    Amen! As much as I beleieve in faith I do believe that figures can lie and liars can figure. I dont think anyone can establish a causal relationship between ending school prayer and any thing else with the exception of church attendance. But sometimes people of “faith” project ugly assumptions on the world.

    There were many events, Watergate, Vietnam, two income households, suburbanization and other trends that had to do with the social dislocation that we have now. I believe that the decline of civic America has more to do with this than prayer specifically. One could argue that the lack of prayer in schools was a facilitator of racial integration and the civil rights movement. Or some might argue that the civil rights movement was responsible for the statistics above.

    As for the SAT scores, I think that one thing that is not taken into account is the large number of people not qualified to attend college who are taking it now. Some how an idea was spread that college was for everyone. So intellectually mediocre people started taking the test and test scores fell.

    As for peoples rights to pray, I think everyone should take a little time out of every day to meditate/pray and get ready to be productive. But no one should force me to pray towards Mecca or lead me in a Baptist prayer that indicates that I am an idol worshiping Catholic.

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    Kerri says:

    This is an interesting piece, but the hostile comments ruin the reading. There is no doubt that this country has gone down hill since prayer was taken out of school [whether you believe it's the cause or not].

    I’m amazed that there once was a time when school children took a minute of their morning to give thanks to God and ask for His protection. That’s incredible. And what a simple and straight forward prayer.

    “Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon Thee, and we beg Thy blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers, and our country.”

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    Spiritn'Soul says:

    Wow those are some findings! It seems that ever since America stepped away from God, she has been having difficulty. Taking prayer from schools moved the nation one step further away from God and this separation is more evident nowadays than it ever has been before. Look at the economy-the recession has not only affected American families but it has affected small and large businesses alike and has caused homelessness and unemployment to skyrocket. Look at our youth-more and more youth are using drugs, having pre-marital sex, and joining gangs as a way to feel loved or hide their inner problems when what they are really in need of is a true relationship with the Almighty God. Look at our families-many youth are growing up in a single parent household and marriage has become more of a fairytale than a reality. (We are truly living in the last days of the world). America and its citizens must realize that God is the answer to their problems. Aside from statistics, the point is the farther we get away from God, the farther He will be from us. But His promise is if we come closer to Him, He will come closer to us. (James 4:8) But anyways prophesy must be fulfilled…not my will but God’s will be done. Correlation may not always imply causation but praying and leaning on God can change the nation. May God bless your spirit and your soul.

    Suggestions: Those who may not believe in the power of prayer or God for that matter-Maybe you should spend your times in other ways…perhaps try reading the Holy Bible (God can open your eyes) and/or Mr. David Barton’s book (perhaps this would clear any issues you may have concerning his findings)

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    [...] is quite a bit higher these days. And you are more then welcome to see the graphs for yourself at http://heartofwisdom.com/blog/when-prayer-was-taken-out-of-school/. Now, they say we claim Christianity, but to anyone with common sense it’s evident what we [...]

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    Kristy says:

    Here are some interesting statistics. There is no way to accurately say that these increases are solely due to taking prayer out of school but the time in history when prayer was removed from schools marks a turning point in our history as a nation. Starting in the ’60′s, our country has taken a nose dive on the scale of morality. And, that is evident in these graphs. All the same, this info is interesting & extremely disheartening.

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    fred lapides says:

    fake correlation. School is NOT th eplace for prayer. I am a tax payer, religious, but I have my home and my place of worship and it is not in school nor in the movie theatre nor in the mall nor in the Post Office.
    stolp indoctrinating our kids with this nonsense.

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    Amanda says:

    No. Prayer DOES belong in schools, and if you are a true christian you will agree. There is not just ONE place for God. He is everywhere, and unless we start living for him, horrible things will still keep going on. He needs to be in schools, in our jobs, and everywhere. He’s not a little pocket God, he’s HERE and we need to acknowledge him and start thanking and praying to him.

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    Stella says:

    Indeed? I suppose the graphs are believable for someone who has never taken statistics. And just out of curiosity, what about the children who are not baptist, lutheran, etc…but instead buddhist, muslim and such? Are you going to make them pray to the judeo-christian god? Good way to promote understanding between people. ~shakes head~

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    Danny Blitz says:

    We are not a theocracy. I pray the Lord Jesus gives us wisdom to jump off this path.

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    Marilyn says:

    Hi Robin, i want to ask your permission to use this site as a reference to show how the impact of removing religion in school has in our society. Please grant permission. Thanks.

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    Justayoungin' says:

    I will be researching the info myself. Thanks alot. It is good to stand up for what you believe in. These days there are so much violence and horrible things happened among students…..I know that God or at least the fear and reverance for God is the ONLY thing that will stop it. If someone wont believe that the absence of corporate prayer (asking God for peace and protection) has caused a moral decline in teens, they should at least believe that it has had a significant affect. Nevertheless, people should research the facts for themselves. The TRUTH does not have to hide itself and in the face of testings will still remain the the TRUTH.God bless.

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    Amalee says:

    All of the people commenting on here that are saying that this article is “absurd” and “doesn’t prove anything” probably should not argue about this if they have never even opened a Bible. I could have argued this as well, but then I opened a Bible and then it all made sense.
    Thanks for putting this on here, I am using it as a source for my essay on why God should not be taken out of schools.

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    Robin says:

    Dear John,

    As you know, we’ve been working real hard in our town to get prayer back in our schools. Finally, the school board approved a plan of teacher-led prayer with the children participating at their own option. Children not wishing to participate were to be allowed to stand out in the hallway during prayer time. We hoped someone would sue us so we could go all the way to the supreme court and get the old devil-inspired ruling reversed.

    Naturally, we were all excited by the school board action. As you know, our own little Billy (not so little, any more though) is now in the second grade. Of course, Margaret and I explained to him no matter what the other kids did, he was going to stay in the classroom and participate.

    After the first day of school, I asked him, “How did the prayer time go?”

    “Fine.”

    “Did many kids go out into the hallway?”

    “Two.”

    “Excellent. How did you like your teachers prayer?”

    “It was different, dad. Real different from the way you pray.”

    “Oh? Like how?”

    “She said,’Hail, Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners…’”

    The next day I talked with the principal. I politely explained I wasn’t prejudiced against Catholics but I would appreciate Billy being transferred to a non-Catholic teacher. The principal said it would be done right away.

    At supper that evening I asked Billy to say the blessings. He slipped out of his chair, sat cross-legged, closed his eyes, raised his hand palms up in the air and began to hum.

    You’d better believe I was at the principal’s office at eight o’clock the next morning. “Look,” I said. ‘I don’t really know much about these Transcendental Meditationists, but I would feel a lot more comfortable If you could move Billy to a room where the teacher practices an older, more established religion.”

    That afternoon I met Billy as soon as he walked in the door after school.

    “I don’t think you’re going to like Mrs. Nakasone’s prayer, either, Dad.”

    “Out with it.”

    “She kept chanting Namu Amida Butsu…”

    The following morning I was waiting for the principal in the school parking lot.

    “Look, I don’t want my son praying to the Eternal Spirit of whatever to Buddha. I want him to have a teacher who prays in Jesus’ name!”

    “What about Bertha Smith?”

    “Excellent.”

    I could hardly wait to hear about Mrs. Smith’s prayer. I was standing on the front steps of the school when the final bell rang.

    “Well?” I asked Billy as we walked towards the car.

    “Okay.”

    “Okay what?”

    “Mrs. Smith asked God to bless us and ended her prayer in Jesus’ name, amen just like you.”

    I breathed a sigh of relief. “Now we’re getting some place.”

    “She even taught us a verse of scripture about prayer,” said Billy.

    I beamed. “Wonderful. What was the verse?”

    “Lets see…” he mused for a moment. “And behold, they began to pray; and they did pray unto Jesus, calling him their Lord and their God.”

    We had reached the car. “Fantastic,” I said reaching for the door handle. Then paused. I couldn’t place the scripture.

    “Billy, did Mrs. Smith say what book that verse was from?”

    “Third Nephi, chapter 19, verse 18.”

    “Nephi what?”

    “Nephi,” he said. “It’s in the Book of Mormon.”

    The school board doesn’t meet for a month. I’ve given Billy very definite instructions that at prayer time each day he’s to go out into the hallway. I plan to be at that board meeting. If they don’t do something about this situation, I’LL sue. I’LL take it all the way to the Supreme Court if I have to. I don’t need schools or anybody else teaching my son about religion. We can take care of that ourselves at home and at church, thank you very much.

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    Natalie says:

    I must say the point here is being missed. Okay so let’s talk about statistics and graphs for a moment. Can they be off or the correlations miscalculated? Yes,sure they can. However, I challenge you to prove that teen pregnancies, pre-martial sex, divorce, crime, lack of education, etc has not drastically risen in the last 40 to 50 years. In the political arena even these issues are heatedly debated as how to solve them.

    The whole point is, as a Nation, we are steadily removing God from our lives. BIG, HUGE, ENORMOUS, mistake. With the removal of God is also the removal of his protection and blessings.

    We should pray in our schools. We should pray in our homes. We should pray for our Government. We should make God the Ruler over every facet of our lives. Shame on us for not standing up for Him, even as He hung on the cross for us.

    Natalie

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    christina says:

    that is so awesome. i believe that that could be true. i very much believe in prayer and the bible. it does seem that the more the government takes God out of the picture the more problems the united states has. thank you cuz im doing a paper on that too.

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    Anonymous says:

    prayer is something private and to be done on your own time at your own church where their are other belivers. by doing prayer in schools we are eliminating other religions because christianity is one of the main religions here in america. other religions pray more than once a day by letting a religion pray their one prayer they will need to let the other religion do all their prayers as well otherwise you will be singling out certain minorities

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    Summer says:

    Is it possible that rates were once so low because data was simply not being recorded at that time and that medical diagnosis not was reliable. Teen pregnancies were lower? No, they were simply either shipping the girls off and taking their babies or forcing them into marriage. A piece of data you don’t have here, while the “teen pregnancy” rates were lower, the teen marriage rates were much higher. Why? Because teens were having sex, except without the protection options they have today, and then being tossed into shot gun marriages as soon as possible.

    STD rates were lower? Maybe, or maybe doctors were not as able to diagnose them. Remember, doctors once thought masturbation caused insanity. They thought smoking was fine and healthy. They caused the death of thousands of women in a little thing called “labor fever” by not washing their hands between patients. I’ve heard many historical claims that in the late 1800s and early 1900s STD rates were over the roof. But you have to search for the information, dig it out, because they were called by different names and misdiagnosed as a dozen other things.

    As for the rest of the chaqrts, well you’re a Christian. And Christians see nothing wrong with lying for Jesus. You’d tell me my house was on fire if you thought A) it would convert me, or B) it made you feel more self-righteous. Christians just cannot be trusted to tell the truth, they let their emotions get in the way of facts time and time again.

    So Robin, I am calling you a liar. Or at least the enabler of a liar by passing on charts that are the lies of another Christian such as Barton. But I guess you’re OK with that since you just have to ask Jesus to forgive you and then go back to lying again tomorrow. Barton has been torn down again and again by real historians, the ones who actually look at historical facts rather than make them up. And yet he continues to lie for Jesus, and people such as you continue to spread those lies for Jesus.

    Jeremiah 14:14, “Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.”

    Ezekiel 13:19, “And will ye pollute me among my people for handfuls of barley and for pieces of bread, to slay the souls that should not die, and to save the souls alive that should not live, by your lying to my people that hear your lies?”

    1 John 4:20, “If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?”

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    Kathy says:

    I think it’s sadder that rational thinking adults can’t be good and kind simply because it’s the decent thing to do. That we invent a heaven & hell instead of empowering kids to create wonderful lives NOW instead of pining away for an imaginary afterlife. Religion is abusive. If there’s a god, he’s put us here for a reason (to love one another) and religious people really miss the mark by fixating upon prayer and “salvation” instead of simply making the most of this amazing life.

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    Ratchell says:

    For those of you who do not understand God:

    I am no expert, but let me tell you how my folks found God and how I found God. I am no devout church goer as churches have become money sanctuaries…
    My father found God when after four long months of being in the hospital (after I was prematurely born and diagnosed with Hydrocephalus (water on the brain), they finally sent me home at four pounds!
    When I was 20 years old I found I was pregnant and after being told for 18 years I couldnt have children. My doctor said I could, but had to speed it up a little. Mike is now 15 (sigh) and his brother William is 6 (yes I did it again). I have a college degree and my own business–God told me I CAN!!

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    Danyyil Zakharchuk says:

    Hey I’m doing my senior research project on Prayers in school so if anyone have some information or some sites send me on my e-mail Danyyil_1992@mail.ru thanks

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    Eboni Wright says:

    I want to know how David Barton is coming up with the numbers for his graph. Do you have a link not to his website, bot the actual cite that verifies that?

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    Wayne says:

    I came across your web site while doing research on the subject. I was wondering where the Graphs are from? I am in college and need to site all of my sources, form credible sites and sources (not that I think you are not credible)my professors would have a problem. (of course that is their problem.)My problem is my paper.
    Thank you for the information, TV and Other things may be partially responsible, but the downward spiral started with the removal of prayer. Without prayer our nation will not recover, We as a People need to turn to God in prayer, then we will turn this nation around.

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    kathy says:

    Thank you so much robin for your blog!

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    Mary Addams says:

    Let us teach our own public schooled children, spouses (who might work at schools), teachers and friends to say this prayer silently, if necessary, when they start their school day. Let us all memorize it a pray it every morning…. with our kids as we send them off to school… homeschool, if you can.

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    kathy says:

    Hi Again, Robin, I hope you don’t mind but I’ve been sharing this link on my facebook and everyone else seems to be sharing it too!!! The word needs to be spread, thanks again so much and God Bless you! Kathy

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    Darren says:

    This is a wonderful report, however it was a waste of time putting it up why?
    1.To many sheepeole living today
    2.To many stupid people in the world.
    3.To many people over who comes from other counties that don`t know what freedom means and/or what it means.
    4.Since everybody thinks they are the same, then conversations on the matter go no where.
    5.People have forgotten God.
    6.It used to be God,Guns,and guts, now it`s people, peace and love.
    7.why go on?

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    Danielle C. says:

    I think that prayer should definatley be put back in school. In my opinion everything you have said is completley true. I also think that your grapphs you have at the top of the page show every thing that we need to know because it’s God way of showing that when you don’t do as you are supposed to bad things will happen. I know that if prayer was in school it would be a lot more young people on the right path in life. i just hope one day realize it before its too late. Because excepting God can be the difference in spending the rest of eternity in the Wonderful Heaven above or the Pitts of Hell. You really have inspired me, thank you. I know God is looking down upon you smiling for bringing this to the world. God Bless and have a good day.

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    Danielle C. says:

    i forgot to say that you have also inspired me to write a persuasive essayting prayer back into school for my English Class=] Keep doing what your doing!!!!!!!!!

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    JJ Tanel says:

    this is really incredible Im using this in my project and giving you fulll credit for all your hard work. Im a strong believer and this helps soo much more. Thanks again

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    Christina says:

    Amen!!!! I am 27 years old and I believe pray should still be in school. They hardly said the pledge of allegience anymore. Things went downhill fast when they took pray out of school. I am appalled.

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    Christina says:

    Amen!!!!!!!!!!! I believe that 100%

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    tatiana says:

    I totally agree.. even the graphs shows proof!!

    am astounished.. but
    its sooo
    true

    their are soo many gay people in my school

    i know God doesnt like that!!

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    angela says:

    my friend and i are doing a smilar project in public school. If u find any thing good would u please email me. angelangelpower@yahoo.com? I’ve found alot but its hard to organize it all. Thank you and good luck!

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    Anonymous says:

    amen

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    Baka says:

    For all of you saying that this was because “prayer was banned”, you are incorrect. Mandated prayer was banned, though students still have the right to be as religious as they want but without an adult telling them what to pray. The teaching of religion was banned also because it infringes the Establishment clause of the first amendment. I am not sorry for posting these facts because i am bothered by some people’s ignorance as to what actually is banned and what isn’t.

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    Enrique says:

    To get an accurate gauge of America’s moral compass you must also consider the rampant racism and discrimination that occurred during the decades where these graphs (which are incorrect) show a low count of “immorality”, against all minorities, including women. Women couldn’t even vote for many of those years. This paints a much different picture than what you interpret in your article. Not very “wise” of you to ignore that. I would say we stopped prayer right before the civil rights movement that protected minorities, women and employees from the abuse that had been accepted for hundreds of years. Maybe because we deterred indoctrination of children in public schools by removing prayer, we experienced a moral awakening in society realizing all people should be treated equal.

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    Aaron says:

    Hey Robin,

    I agree with you here.. It’s a sad day when morals get so low that prayer is considered immoral in schools now. This is why we have chosen to homeschool.
    .-= Aaron´s last blog ..Free Blogs =-.

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    Harvey says:

    Lydia
    Simpley type in( When was Prayer taken out of School)there you will find all the information you should need.

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    All statistical arguments of cause, effect, causation, and correlation attempting to tear down the connections between prayer in schools and the subsequent spikes in anti-moral behaviors, all fail to deal with the fact that while these graphs show numerological data, this is not a statistical argument to begin with, it is a moral argument, a conscience argument, an argument of wisdom.

    Prayer was removed from schools. What does this mean? It is a diminishing of the easy legal reach of Faith and God in a public environment that nearly all citizens of the United States passes through before they become an adult.
    So it encourages the dismissal, rejection, disrespect and marginalizing of Religion. It cracks the door to allow the corrupt perspective of “God doesn’t belong…”

    God set the rules for morality, from murder and theft being wrong to forgiveness and mercy being right. The diminishing or reduction of an idea that encourages, standardizes and even demands honorable morality within the social sphere, will then obviously diminish and reduce that honorable morality.

    This must be true; if exposure did not equal social modification, then there would be no need to remove prayer from schools, or keep Chruch and State separate because there would be no need to defend citizens of the potential religious indoctrination of students in public schools. If there was no connection between the removal of what humans are exposed to, and so the reduction of evidence that such concepts are influencing their lives, then it would also need to be true that the existence of any items, would prove ineffective in modifying the human outlook. This is obviously known to all, not to be true.

    While the removal of prayer in schools may not be directly correlative to the after measured immorality, it was the falling of morality that caused the acceptance of the removal of prayer from schools to begin with.

    These graphs are irrelevant in the end, as it is what ever caused, allowed and accepted prayer to be removed from schools, that caused the continued moral disintegration observed after the fact.

    I repeat myself deliberately, restating things different ways gives more opportunities for a statement to be understood, so I will end by doing such one more time.

    Removing prayer from schools did not cause immorality.

    Immorality caused prayer to be removed from schools.

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    Pastor Jeff Deyarmon says:

    Are these stats just on us thought they might be but was not sure keep up the good work it is so sad to see how lost the world really is. So lost they do not even know they are Lost, lets all pray for them.

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    I am a graduate student at the UNM,a Christian, a teacher in the public school system needs you help in a presentation of Moral Development in Education and the statistics graphs would be most benefical to present in my presentation.This is a way to make students aware of the importance of Prayer in our Public Schools.

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    Carol Flett says:

    Your right. Stopping a mere formal prayer, in itself, probably would not have created such a distinct down slide, but the act of stopping prayer was only a token of the total change in attitude of school and government away from the God who created us. The graphs (and there are more) speak for themselves. Something happened, not gradually, as your idea suggests but very dramatically, giving serious analysts cause to stop and question what took place in 1965 that happened at no other time. Could all of this be mere circumferential evidence? I think not!

    Carol Flett
    http://www.godleadsusalong.com

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    Anonymous says:

    its prayer not pray…

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    glenn says:

    Lets just say the graphs are wrong. For all of you that say the graphs are wrong i want you to use your “God Given” brains. Ever since America has given in too the people who don’t believe in God our country has weakened. If our country was founded on God why take that away? If you go to someone elses home and lets say you dont like the foundation of the home. So you go to the city and get a bunch of people and eventually get the approval of getting the foundation re-done. This is what is happening to the USA. We get people of different religions and beliefs coming into OUR country where the foundation is based on god and these people actually have the nerve to try to change the whole foundation of the USA. If someone came to your home and got approval to change the foundation of your home because it was against their beliefs in how a home should be built what would happen to the house?… It would be destroyed. So lets say USA is Our house. The foundation is god. What happens if you take the foundation (god) out of our home (USA)? It will be destroyed. If people have different beliefs than they should study how USA was founded and by what beliefs. Thanks for the statistics! Seperation of church in state is a slippery slope. One day people will see.

    p.s. For you non believers out there… How would you like it if i came to your home and made you start praying because its something I believe in. So I break down the door and make you pray? you probably wouldnt like it im guessing. Whats the difference of you living in a HOME called the united states of america and trying to change the core beliefs of this country? GET SERIOUS PEOPLE…

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    i am starting a Christian club at school this information is sure to convenience Salem r-80 school Bord that a youth group will do some good bringing god back into schools will not only decrease all these horrible rating but also give students something to look forward to in school i believe that bringing the bible back into school will also decrease the drop out rate as well as the violence and emo i do think you for you research

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    Anonymous says:

    You sound like you need some help with understanding Gods purpose for order.If children are taught to follow Gods way of abstance, then there would be nothing they need to protect themself from. Also, is children are what the bible says, then they would know that they can ask God for understanding and he would open up knowledge to them they need to study and pass SAT scores. If you have not tried living the way God’s word (the bible) instructs us to live, I suggest you do and watch your life change for the better.

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    kevin says:

    your comment reflects misery and doubt of what you teach. its no wonder why. the books you teach from now will all be revised in a year or two and contradict what is being tought now. religion, faith, morality,and tradition are all substances that bring balance to the every day struggle to understand the meaning of life and why we are here. i will not force you to believe please do not force me to not believe. UNDERSTANDING IS THE KEY RESPECT IS PARAMOUNT!

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    kevin says:

    I BEGG TO DEFER. IN 1994 I SCHEDULED ON A COMMUTER FLIGHT FROM INDIANAPOLIS TO CHICAGO THEN TO PHILADELPHIA. BEFORE LEAVING TO TE AIRPORT MY GIRLFRIEND PRAYED FOR ME TO HAVE A SAFE FLIGHT[SOMETHING NEITHER OF US HAD NEVER DONE]. WELL I AM SAD TO SAY THE PLANE CRASHED IN NORTHERN INDIANA AND EVERYONE WAS KILLED. I MISSED THE FLIGHT BY LESS THAN 10 MINUTES. HAD WE NOT TAKEN TIME TO PRAY AND LOOK FOR A BIBLE I WANTED TO TAKE WITH ME I WOULD HAVE BEEN ON BOARD. I CALL THAT DEVINE INTERVENTION.CHECK IT OUT FOR YOURSELF.

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    Desirae' says:

    Hi Summer, I agree that Robin’s evidence is not sufficient and does not show a true correlation between lack of prayer in schools and the failures of our school system and some of its youth. However, I am a Christian and I must disagree that all Christians are liars. I admit that there are some who practice Christianity and do not abide to all of the principles and teachings of God and His son, Jesus Christ. But, I can truly say that I am set apart and believe solely in the ways of God. I believe that God’s people have been called to live a righteous life and live that life in a matter that is pleasing to his sight, in a matter that allows God’s love and might to shine through us. We were made in God’s image and possess his qualities. Honesty is one of those qualities, no matter who stands to gain. This is evident in the Bible. I use it as a road map as I journey through life. You are saying that Christians will do just about anything to convert someone to Christ or for self-gain. In the New Living Translation, Romans 3:5-6 says, “‘But’, some might say, ‘our sinfulness serves a good purpose, for it helps people see how righteous God is. Isn’t it unfair, then, for him to punish us?’ (This is merely a human point of view.) Of course not! If God were not entirely fair, how would he be qualified to judge the world?”
    So as stated in the above scripture, even if we are uplifting God, we are still wrong and have sinned. True Christians understand this and know nothing can be gained from lying and that we do not have to lie in order to bring someone to Christ. God, who He is, and His works speak for themselves.

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    Desirae' says:

    Robin, I like how you are advocating praying in schools and how it is a helpful tool in youth’s growth process. I feel that prayer has the potential to do great things in the lives of our youth. It teaches them, at a young age the importance of having God in their life and the positive impact that comes from having that connection.

    However I feel that data in David Barton’s “America: to Pray or not to Pray” is sufficient evidence for supporting the point that when prayer was taken out of school, the educational system to a turn for the worst. There are several factors that can account for the increase in teen pregnancy, STD’s, birth rates, etc. The increased use of technology such as television and computers could have been a factor.

    I believe, if you would have taken a different approach and not have used David Barton’s research as evidence, your argument would be much more credible. For example, you could have explained how the prayer is somewhat neutral and saying a similar prayer may be acceptable by members of our society. There is also the possibility that setting forth a time at the beginning of school for individual, quiet prayer would be even more acceptable by society. This does do not discriminate against other religions, yet makes prayer a positive force in our educational system. We live in a world of diverse people and we as Christians have to respect others’ decision to practice which religion they see fit. After all God gave us the freedom of choice, as well.

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    Desirae' says:

    Hi Summer, I agree that Robin’s evidence is not sufficient and does not show a true correlation between lack of prayer in schools and the failures in our school system. However, I am a Christian and I must disagree with your claim that all Christians are liars. I admit that there are some who claim to practice Chrictianity and do not abide to all of the principles and teachings of God and His son, Jesus Christ. But, I can truly say that I am set apart and believe solely in the ways of God. I believe that God’s peoople have been called to live a righteous life and live that life in a matter that is pleasing to His sight, and in a matter that allows God’s love and might to shine through. We were made in God’s image and possess his qualities. Honesty is one of those qualitites. We must practice honesty no matter who stands to gain. This is evident in the Bible. You are saying that Christains will do just about anything to convert people to Christ or for self-gain. In the New Living Translation, Romans 3:5-6 says, “But’, some might say, ‘our sinfulness serves a good purpose, for it helps people see how righteous God is. Isn’t it unfair, then, for him to punish us?’ (This is merely a human point of view.) Of course not! If God were not entirely fair, how would he be qualified to judge the world?”

    So as presented in the above scripture, even if we are uplifting God, we are still wrong and have sinned. True Christians understand this and know nothing can be gained from lying and that we do not have to lie in order to bring someone to Christ. God, who He is, and His works speak for themselves.

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    Robyn,

    I am attendinging school at Art Institute of Pittsburgh, and while doing some research on Google, I came across your website. I had to write a paper on weather or not certain books should be censored to certain segments of society. I was wondering if I could share that paper with you?

    Books Pt.2

    Should certain books be censored to protect specific segments of the population?

    I do believe that certain books should be censored to certain segments of society. Let’s take for instance our children in public schools. Sometime in the 1960s, 1962 to be exact, prayer was taken out of schools, largely due to the actions of one Madalyn Murray O’Hair, founder of American Atheists Inc. This didn’t affect me at that time at all because I attended a parochial school, that is to say a Roman Catholic Private school. We prayed every day, and it helped. It wasn’t until I left the Catholic School system in the sixth grade that I really started to notice the difference. I was ten times smarter than anyone else in my sixth grade class. I believe that all had to do with the power of prayer. I went on to finish senior high in the public school system where each year I became worse and worse. I ended up becoming a full blown alcoholic by the age of 15. I was so badly addicted to drugs that I became a menace to myself, and society. I ended up getting kicked out half way through the 12 grade because I was a street fighting gang punk. All this I attribute to the lack of God in our school system.

    Now, our kids aren’t allowed to be taught the creation story, which has to do with God, but they are freely taught about evolution, and Darwinism. Our children aren’t allowed to have all the facts presented to them to be able to make a proper decision on their own because of the separation of church and state. They are not allowed to have any teaching about a creator that is responsible for them all. Children are allowed to be taught that they evolved from an ameba, or a monkey, or that they are created homosexual or that homosexuality is ok and permissible in a heterosexual nation. With these facts in hand, I would have to say that I do not think that all reading material is good for all segments of society. I believe that if children aren’t allowed to hear the truth, then these other teachings should be censored from their little ears also. I believe that all we have to do is look back over history in the last 50 years and notice that because of the censoring of certain topics, and the uncensoring of other topics, that our Countries demise is far greater. There has to be a change in the books that are censored, and the ones that are not.

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    How about a real testimony? Read the paper that I posted in here.

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    Tatum,
    It is too bad that you are that decieved in thinking that the things that are totally controlled by the devil wouldn’t be less in our schools if prayer was still there.

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    Ben says:

    hello robin i am was searching google ran across your blog. this is great i am writing a research paper on this right now i wanted to use your material as a part of my paper this is great stuff.

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    Hannah C. says:

    Wow! That is some powerful evidence. I’m writing a research paper right now concerning the removal of prayer in public schools, and your paper is quite encouraging me. I know I’m on the right track with my research. More people need to be aware of the education crisis currently.

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    Hannah C. says:

    Mark:

    Yes, you’re right. Anyone can pray in school at any time. But from personal experience and from a testimony of a friend who goes to public school, you will be ridiculed out of your mind if you pray to God in public at school. Yet, if you lift a prayer to Buddha, people leave you alone. I just think “religious freedom” is being taken to the extreme.

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    Hannah C. says:

    AMEN!

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    Cass says:

    ok while reading this i cried this is terrible we need prayer in school terribly

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    Steve Bart says:

    I thought you might enjoy this poem:

    DEAR DAD….

    A poem from one Veteran to another

    January 15, 2010

    I thought I’d drop a line to tell you what’s been going on:
    The freedoms we defended are no more;
    They’re slowly taking them away through legislative ploys,
    And changing all we are down to the core.

    The children of the “Greatest Generation” we produced
    Protested war by fighting in the streets,
    And rioting, and using rights we fought hard to preserve,
    And now they hold a lot of Senate seats.

    And many run the businesses they’d picket in their youth;
    They’re lawyers, judges, politicians, too.
    And if you stand against them they are allied with the press,
    And there is nothing they won’t do to you!

    And many tout their freedoms that have never had to fight;
    They think elections keep this nation free.
    And if this country is attacked they’ll run away and hide,
    Or give up with no thought of what will be.

    These are the same who used each right this country gives to all
    To stand against what made this country great.
    And now that they’re in charge they will deny those rights to us,
    The people who are fearful of our fate.

    Remember when abortions were the murder of a child?
    It’s now become a right forever more.
    And all our enemies know “We the People” will not fight,
    And so they’ve brought the battle to our shore.

    And all illegal immigrants were given amnesty,
    And so 12 million more came running in,
    And all can get free medical, that we tax payer’s foot;
    It is a war we’ve chosen not to win.

    And God is now a fable; we now rule our destiny,
    And aliens from space, they say, are real.
    And Darwin is the god of most, and greed is off the scale,
    And taxes have destroyed this county’s zeal.

    Our waters are polluted, as is our air as well;
    Two things nothing on earth can live without.
    And Christmas now is vilified, but “Kwansa” is okay;
    And I don’t even know what that’s about!

    The streets are filled with thugs armed with an arsenal of guns,
    But tax payers must pass a background check.
    And “Sanctuary Cities” won’t turn over immigrants
    Even if they slice somebody’s neck!

    And drugs, and sex, and violence are on most every show,
    Because “it is the way life is today.”
    But Daffy Duck, Bugs Bunny, and Road Runner can’t be seen
    Because “they’re just too violent,” they say.

    Our roads and bridges are a mess, and need to be replaced.
    But nothing’s done until somebody dies.
    And then they fix the problem, but they raise our taxes too,
    And blame the other party for their lies.

    Utopia to them is Socialism at its worst,
    But they exempt themselves from these same rules.
    They’re padding their own fortunes, and they’re making secret deals,
    And laugh at all us stupid little fools.

    As you can guess, this government wants to control our lives;
    And now they want to run our healthcare too,
    And dictate who will live or die, with money changing hands,
    While giving all the rest of us the screw.

    And Congress opened housing loans to those who can’t repay,
    So banks are failing all across this land.
    The world is laughing at the plight we’ve brought upon ourselves,
    And none it seems will even lend a hand.

    We’re now eleven trillion bucks in debt because of this,
    And China holds the lien on all we owe.
    Yet Congress keeps on spending like the world is ending soon….
    You have to wonder what it is they know!

    Yet in this poor economy, with people losing jobs,
    The politicians gave themselves a raise,
    And cities all across this land are raising taxes too;
    Like rabid dogs, they cannot change their ways.

    We were a land of hope and dreams, where merit would pay off,
    And if you worked hard you too could succeed.
    We were a country envied by the nations of the world,
    But now we’re known for cowardice and greed.

    And politicians now use polls to change their points of view;
    Epiphanies of conscience can come fast.
    But when they get elected they return to what they were;
    A bunch of cheating liars to the last!

    And now this nation wants to be like those who hate our guts;
    It is a dream that I just cannot share.
    For if our nation’s challenged then, whose blood will keep us safe?
    Without our freedoms, who would really care?

    And all that you and I held good is now a distant thought;
    There’s nothing that is good, and nothing bad.
    And now one-parent households are the way some people go;
    The government pays more if there’s no dad.

    Computers now are everywhere; they’re even in our phones.
    They run all aspects of our daily lives.
    So now our enemies just need to kill the power grid,
    And nothing in America survives.

    And perverts stalk our streets and schools and playgrounds all day long
    Hoping to molest a kid at play.
    And as their numbers grow the laws will change to meet their needs,
    For they will be a voting block someday!

    So Dad, I’m glad you died when we were still “the brave and free.”
    If you could see us now you’d surely cry.
    It took two hundred years for this great nation to grow strong,
    And only 30 years for it to die.

    By Stephen J. Bart
    TSgt, USAF (Ret)
    Jan 12, 1971 ~ Sep 30, 1991
    Lifetime Member, Rapid City DAV chapter 3

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    John W says:

    Questions have been raised on the correlation of taking prayer out of the schools in 1963 and an increase in anti-social statistics.

    Many factors changed in that year, with similar anti-religious social influence. Belief in God has been associated with a strong middle class, and big money wants to knock out the middle class according to conspiracy theory (and they are doing a pretty good job).

    Prayer was taken out, Ten Commandments were no longer understood to be a moral foundation of society, the role of ancient Greece and Rome in Western civilization was also quietly taken out, TV viewing increased and the moral foundation of TV programs also became anti-religious, schools were no longer allowed to discipline students and school administrations were no longer allowed to back up teachers in disciple. Paddling was taken out of the schools soon after.

    In one not-so-atypical case, a student who threatened a teacher with a knife was back in school the next day.

    Taking prayer out of the schools by itself may not have been the only cause of social decline, but it was a symbol of an anti-religious cultural revolution. Private schools and home schools that maintained a religious foundation maintained high test scores and moral standards. The decline in the public schools is one reason for a substantial increase in the number of students in private schools and home schools.

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    Anonymous says:

    My children pray still..but being able to do so outside of their immediate group of friends they can’t reach others! The whole point! Sometimes someone just needs some encourging words to get through the day…..

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    Simone says:

    My mom told me about this, and school is crazy, at suburbian schools and at Urban schools. Going to school I have seen so many girls pregnant, and heard about so many guys in the restroom selling and using drugs. Fights are enjoyed and a lot people act like they just don’t care.

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    Bobby says:

    I have to argue this point. I am a college student in the Portland, Oregon area. I am also a practicing Druid. Everyday I come to school, I see a group of Christian students, at the front of the school together, privately praying “In Jesus Name”. I say more power to them. Yet if I stop anywhere in public to offer prayer and homage in my faith, I become a target for ridicule and subject to verbal attack. Most often by either Atheists or Christians. I do not invite these folks into my private moment, and do not condemn theirs. However due to the amount of intolerance, ignorance and arrogance in this so-called land of the free, only those of a certain faith have opportunity to express that faith and know they are safe. How might you react to a Muslim offering prayer in public? Or a Asatruist, Voodooin, or any of the vast number of valid spiritual beliefs in the world? What we all need, is to stop trying to force our own beliefs upon another. If someone wants to talk with me about my faith, I will gladly talk. If they do not, I will not. The minute it becomes about how wrong my beliefs are, the conversation is over. No one in this world has the right to claim better/worse or right/wrong to another. We are far too diverse for this.
    Peace and blessings to all.

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    Bobby says:

    To the contrary Tony, this country was founded under the principle of religious freedom. That is, the freedom to have or not have whatever religion you choose. Now you also ask for proof of the big bang and counter with the offer of “the truth of the word of God…”, yet the “proof” which you offer is a book that was not actually written down when events took place, and has been doctored, edited and rewritten numerous times just in the past thousand years. Well you know, I say good for you. That shows the strength of your faith. However this does not mean that I will believe the same as you. Or that everyone else will either. We have the RIGHT to believe or not believe as we choose. If I choose to believe in “the coming of the Great Handkerchief”, that is my choice and not yours. You do not have to believe, just accept the fact that I do. And when you ask someone if they would like to hear about your faith, if they say no, leave it at that. At least offer them that respect. Pray for them on your own time. I just wish folks would quit being so arrogant about this whole thing. If we all learned a little about tolerance and understanding, there might be a lot less death and hate in this world.

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    Anonymous says:

    Dear Hannah,
    I am getting started on research about the same thing. If you have any tips, i would be grateful if could share some with me. The bible is fulfilling itself.

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    8th Grader who actually knows something shocker right says:

    Obviously you Mr. Science Teacher don’t pay much attention during class. Now, I’m currently an 8th grader and I know you’re probably thinking “oh he’s just a stupid little middle-school kid he doesn’t know what he’s talking about” am I right? Ok so I used to go to a private school until 5th grade but because it costs money to go to private school that hasn’t been able to happen the last few years. We used to pray and say the pledge EVERY single day ALL of us with ENTHUSIASM! In 6th grade I switched to public school. I got to school that day and I was literally the ONLY ONE in my homeroom actually STANDING UP to say the pledge(Is that bad or what). I looked really weird and that’s not really a good thing your first day at school. It took me a while to make friends because I said the PLEDGE! REALLY! Yeah, I prayed for my food before I ate at school and that made me look like a freak but really It’s the pledge. Ever heard of the NATIONAL ANTHEM? Look up the story of when it was made. It was written by a LAWYER named Francis Scott Key who was helping a client be released from a ship under British control. The only way of knowing that we hadn’t been defeated by the British in the war of 1812 was by seeing the flag flying in the wind above the fort. Finally, I did make some friends and I did have an influence on SOME of them to at least say the pledge with me during homeroom but MOST of my friends still ask me why I pray before I eat and before I take tests. I said you don’t pay attention because our school (I don’t know about yours) has gotten soooooo bad at the pledge that they actually have to put up the WORDS TO THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE!!!! OK Guys that’s SAD! Sorry Uncle Sam. :( My point is it’s not the omission of the pledge or prayer before school causes teen pregnancy, STD’s, or crime. It’s that understanding WHY we say the pledge or understanding the POWER OF GOD can help. I did say HELP with the crime, STD rate, and teen pregnancy. I also, believe that if Public Schools encouraged Bible study then there would be more kids aware of the things God is asking us to do. Love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control are all things that God is asking us to show one another. Tell me Mr. Science Teacher, if EVERYONE used ALL of these fruits of the spirit, would there be crimes? Would there be war? Would there be promiscuity? How many teens would be having sex before marriage?

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    Barb says:

    I have two children in school currently and it is so true that many of the children are out of control. I am all for prayer in school but I can’t say that I think that the lack of prayer in school is the reason that this country is falling apart. I attended a Catholic school from 1st to 8th grade. From then I attended the public high school. I got into some trouble in high school. I was a pretty good student, gradewise, however, had personal issues like alcoholism, skipping, etc. I had problems starting before I ever started attending the public school. Anyway, I believe that prayer should be in school and if a person doesn’t like it or agree with it, they should have the option to sit down or step out during the prayer. Unfortunately, prayer is not permitted in our public schools, therefore, if the parent wishes to teach their children to believe in God,take control of the situation and teach them and take them to church. There’s a multitude of problems nowadays. One of those problems is passing the buck. It’s always someone or something elses fault. Maybe the problems that children are demonstating have something to do with their parents and their upbringing. It’s the parent’s responsibility to teach the child about God, not the school’s.

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    L.D. says:

    One woman got the ball rolling to take prayer out of school. What can one woman do to get the ball rolling to put prayer back in the school.I grew up in the 60s and 70s. In the 60s we said a prayer every morning before going to class. Public school. Once in class we said the 23rd Psalm. There was less violence, less bullies. No guns, no gang fights, no children fighting or disrespecting the teacher. Why? The love of God was placed in our heart. Where we perfect? No, but we knew there was a GOD who understood and forgave our mistakes. Children today have no fear of God, teachers or parents. When I say fear, I mean REVERENCE. It’s not just the school who needs to PUT HIM BACK! IT’S THE HOMES ALSO! WE HAVE A LOT TO ANSWER FOR.

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    Clemens Kathman says:

    I think might need to be very careful in inferences here. What has been presented is that these various indicators, which we all deem to be adverse, have had a negative effect. But the real question is did the actual action of removing prayer from schools, cause all of these phenomena?

    Doubtful.

    Keep in mind that this country was already in the middle of several cultural revolutions, all promoting negative behavioral aspects. Simply stating that many of these have been detrimental and ambiguously attributing this to removing prayer, is scientifically invalid, and irresponsible.

    Also in 1962, Telstar was launched as the first telecommunications satellite, the Cuban Missile Crisis took place, and, well, Brazil won the World Cup. Using similar logic, one could easily attribute these negative measurements to those single events too, but you wouldn’t would you?

    During this period in history we were fighting an unpopular war, fighting for new civil rights legislation, and an explosion of new technologies that allowed us to land on the moon in 1969. This was a time of young people learning that they, too, had a substantial voice in the political system, and through peaceful demonstrations.

    If you check statistically, the crime rate per capita in the US went drastically downward after 1962. Average incomes have risen drastically since 1962. And, the average attendance at Church has fallen dramatically since 1962. Was removing prayer from school the cause of this? Again, doubtful.

    As Christians, we should be mindful of such things. I’d be much more concerned that we, as the church, have thrown billions of dollars away into congressional lobbyists’ pockets, and pretty much gotten nothing in return. Think of how all that money could have been used in ministry to the poor, to the sick, to counsel pregnant women…doing the things that Jesus asked us to do.

    Be very careful. Statistics can be made to say what you want, but when the deceit is found out, credibility completely goes away.

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    Anonymous says:

    first of all God should be capitalized. 2nd God comes first in life when ever you dont honor him in spirit and in truth the world is bound to fall. because he is the creator only he can fix problems. get your life together and read his word cause unlike this world his word stays the same. and for you mr. anonymous dont worry about the mistake the lady made with pray/prayer look at the mistake you are making with your life. God started in the U.S.A. before you were born, no one has the wrights to change it. were God stands no man can remove him. we are under God, ok? God bless you brother/sister I hope You find the Lord Jesus. Im praying for you.

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    sandy says:

    When I was in grade school, about once a week we had ladies who came in with flannel boards. They had little flannel figures that they would stick to the flannel boards and tell the class a Bible story. When prayer was taken out of schools, the stories stopped. I think it’s a shame that one woman was allowed to change something that affected the whole country. I think the lyric from this song sums up perfectly my feelings on the subject.

    I can swear there ain’t no heaven but I pray there ain’t no hell.

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    Rob says:

    I am a newly minted Christian of five years. I am 47 and also went to a parochial school for the first 9 years of school. I started high school in a public school. I also was shocked at my peers. Mostly by their language. I didn’t however, have the same issues as explained above. I don’t blame the government for taking prayer out of the schools as the sole cause of the decline of our nation’s education system. I am of the opinion that the problem was, and to this day still is, disinterested parents. Blaming the government is just way easier than raising a kid! Why not embrace the fact that they are our kids first, students second, public schooled kids a distant third!!

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    PeeAi says:

    @Robin: This is very powerful. I’v been doing a research on the role that Godly values play in the quality of life in every society, that’s how I got here. Please permit me to reproduce the data in my research on my blog.
    Removing prayer from the public schools in America was simply removing their reliance on God. And it’s the major factor for the moral decline in the American society now. I want to also add that parenting played a huge role in decay of the American society bc the first church and school every child attends is the Family. It’s really a combination of the two because those are the two environments that every child spends most of their time in. God bless you

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    Philip Rolland says:

    Robin,

    I would like your permission to use the graphs above in a book that I am developing. They tell such a powerful story and they are compelling reminders that something has gone terribly wrong in our culture. I think the graphs could say what I would have to write and leave a lasting impression.

    Sincerely,
    Philip

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    admin says:

    I don’t have rights to the graphics. The citation is listed above.

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    Ortavia says:

    It’s difficult for people to see the correlation between prayer being taken out of school and the obvious desolation of the moral fabric of out a nation because they don’t understand God’s dealings with individual institutions that make up our social order. God is very clear about how he feels about truth, knowledge, and wisdom; when you take Him out of the educational system, which in a general sense was created to form the mind and character, then you are left with teaching the intelligence of mere-man to the masses.

    “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools” Romans 1:22

    Therefore, telling the Author of knowledge that you will no longer include Him, has lead to dire consequences not only in the school system, but the nation because as we know one persons actions affects us all. The bible says “Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
    And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

    ” And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:” Rom. 1:25-31

    God’s answer is there.

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    Dakota says:

    I think your paper sounds great, I am writing my senior research project and I’m doing it over the prayer in school debate, I have written about it before for the national history day fair, but now I am doing it for my research project and I need more info. So, I just wanted to let you know that I am impressed with your essay and I am impressed with this websites information, and I will be using parts of your essay for support and this websites info as support also.

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    Brother Bert, says:

    Proverbs 22:6 Train a child in the way that he should go, and when he gets old he will not turn from it! This scripture explains it all….if you notice this verse explains that “when a child gets old” he will not turn from it! Right now we are losing children by the groves…our children today are not getting a chance to “get old” because there death comes at a very very early age. We as parents as states as a nation are killing our children because we have turned our backs on God. Mothers loving their children more than God…..Mothers loving the creation more than the Creator!! We as a country must begin to pray daily and seek God the Fathers will for our lives. If prayer is not allowed in the schools …..Parents make sure you and your children pray together before the children are off to school. What satan ment for evil parents allow for a time for you and your children to pray together……this gives your children a clear perspective as to how important prayer is in our lives!

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    Beverly says:

    I strongly believe that taking religion out of the schools has made a difference of the behavior of students. I am 60 years old and when I was in school I know that some students only heard about God in school. I am on a mission of trying to convince the American people to take our country back. We have set back and allowed a hand full of people make decisions for all of us and I, for one, would like to have back some of my rights taken away from me. If the American people don’t start to take a stand we won’t be able to have a private life. I am a proud American, and I believe in God and God Bless America.

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    aj ferrara says:

    I am a 58 year old dude with three adult kids now and one of my kids has been an addict for many years. As I look back at our life and what might have been different, the one thing that I can honestly say has realy changed as a result of firing God from any institution other then Church or a families closed doors is that we then become tolerent of wrong if there is no ultimate right. I recall as kid I had to make a team in 1960, to play and then I had to earn my position. I recall that if you flunked a grade you repeated it. I recall getting swated a school if I was caught goofing up. I recall consequences being more unpleasant then the pleasure of the act…I always knew there was rule so that things were fair and safe. Now, you show up for a team tryout, if you feel like it, get drafted if your there and you must have 12 plays no matter what or get playing time, no matter what due to this now normal soccer mom insanity. Try and run a business this way. I rest my case. How does this relate to God in the school. Anyone who has half a brain can look at the parents of the 30′s and 40′s who raised kids in the late 30′s and 40′s and the 50′s, and those kids got disiplined! We knew the boundires. So here comes the 60′s with it’s drugged out insantiy, kicking God out of their lives, self-medicating themselves into oblivian and look at the charts above, read em and weep.
    The fear of the Lord is the beging of wisdom, the fear of the Lord being real is just plain out and out defience to truth and we deserve the results.

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    Scott Ezell` says:

    When prayer was taken out of school is when all khaos from the past 45/50 years started. Thats when kids started to be disrespectful to adults, crime, drugs, a crooked governmant, sexuall sin. The one person to blame the most directly & indirectly is Madalyn O’hair. When she had prayer taken out of school is when all of the hardships started.

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    jeff elohim says:

    who was told not to tolerate jezbel ?
    who was told that IF they did tolerate jezbel they would greatly suffer for it ?
    how did the spirit of jezbel take and keep control of most the world chruches since circa 300a.d. ?
    there does NOT EXIST ekklesia of martyrs who do not pray.
    if a group/society/anywhere does not pray, they are NOT ekklesia.
    ..
    the true believers could not and did not go even a day without constant prayer and praise and worship.

    EVEN IN PRISON, IN DUNGEONS, UNDER GUARD THEY COULD NOT BE STOPPED FROM PRAYING AND SINGING AND PRAISING YHVH IN YAHSHUA.

    EVEN under threat of execution,
    THEY could not be STOPPED FROM PRAYING AND SINGING AND PRAISING YHVH IN YAHSHUA.

    ..
    .
    so,
    IF you get to see any true believers in YAHSHUA,
    ….

    ..
    .
    you will see people praying and singing out loud and praising YHVH in YAHSHUA together daily,
    for
    HE is EVERYTHING to them and the world with all it’s fizz and all it’s glitz and all it’s gold is nothing to them.

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    LOVE says:

    Do not tell someone what they believe in is dumb, when someone believes in something it matters to them, go about talking to whoever you talk to with LOVE. No matter what you do, do it with love. People respond to you first, when you are passionate about something and then they keep responding when what you are passionate about makes sense and is not thrown at them too fast. Whoever you are, whatever you do, whatever you believe give people the light of day

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    Anonymous says:

    Bigot. You are an intolerable idiot. You think you have seen the light and have been well educated but you obviously haven’t been. Evolution is factual and there is scientific evidence of it. Creationism is an idea from a story book. Homosexuality and Heterosexuality have to do with the amount of hormones your body gives you, so yes, you can be born a homosexual. There have been homosexuals throughout all of time (yes, even in the “bible days”). And just so you know the Earth is over 4 billion years old… not a silly 4-6 thousand. It wasn’t public school that ruined you, it was the area you lived in, the people you surrounded yourself in, and the choices you made. Prayer in school had nothing to do with your bad life decisions.

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    Dawn says:

    Well said!! ;)

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    Jayln G says:

    wow this article helped me write reflection for histroy thank you especially coming from a christian

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    Steve B. says:

    Yes it does, and started with coins during the Civil War, aka War Between the States.
    By act of Congress, submitted by Lyndon Baines Johnson, it became the official motto of the United States in 1956.

    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Why_does_American_money_say_'In_God_We_Trust

    Steve

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    Dan says:

    You just draw a line and blame all those phenomenon to “not-to-pray”. Please study statistic: Growth rate is exponential over years, not linear.

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    Abigail says:

    Thank You sooooooooo much for putting this on. I’m writting a school paper and I have been looking for this information for a long time. Thank you!

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    vlbuch23 says:

    Wowwwww Beth…

    Your post and thought process are the true reason America are in decline. I’ve always found it funny how Republicans have cornered the market on religion and patriotism and liberals are the devil incarnate. Your ilk does everything that Christian faith tells you not to, yet you seem to think that it’s in decline because we don’t pray in school. You mentioned save the whales and not the babies. Well, what about the babies once they arrive. What of those less fortunate than others. When Jesus fed the multitude with one loaf of bread and one fish, it was the bibles way of saying take care of the poor. some how I think your bible says something altogether different. When a Republican tells me he’s a Christian, I’m taken aback because his/her actions don’t reflect as much. Every war in the 20th Century a Republican administration was in office(exception Vietnam). What about thou shall not kill? Unless we want oil or something else that doesn’t belong to us. Liberals aren’t in favor of the death penalty…but you and your ilk are. Get off your Christian high horse!!! After all it wasn’t the Liberals who took prayer out of schools it was our founding fathers, you know the ones you and your ilk love to adorn us with so much adulation yet you know nothing of what you speak of. Here’s some advice for you read that book you profess to love, it could make you a sound person inside and out!!! One more thing turn off FAUX News and get the truth from other sources.

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    saadia says:

    they should allow kids to pray at school if they need to, but a school shouldn’t force a child to pray a certain way. I also dont think that all those consequences shown above are caused by taking out prayer from school. the main reason for these things happening is because of the MEDIA and how the MEDIA influences people.

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    [...] Originally Posted by desertdetroiter Government didn't make any such ruling. And it's impossible to take prayer out of schools. A Christian would know that. Which calls into question your own Christianity. In 1962 the government took prayer out of school. When Prayer Was Taken Out of School – Robin Sampson's Blog : Robin Sampson's Blog [...]

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    Cynda Summers says:

    So what do we need to do, as a nation, to get out back. Iwas only9 but one would have to be blind to not see this is our problem in our society!

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    What a data of un-ambiguity and preserveness of precious knowledge
    regarding unexpected feelings.

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    Jason says:

    In 1956, “In God We Trust” was adopted as the official U.S. motto. Since 1956, look at all the statistics in this blog post.

    Apparently God has sent our country down the tubes!

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    Francis Philip says:

    Very interesting. Thank you. It would be interesting to know more about the source of the data for these graphs.

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    Ray Wynne says:

    In fifty years we’ve fallen so far and most don’t even know. P.S. Happy 50th anniversary :-(

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    Kyle says:

    I actually agree because without prayer kids have nothing to gain strength from to make it thru everyday life though prayer is just a small step but a right step none the less.

    They should instate make prayer an option where if a school leads a class in prayer the teacher asks who wishes to opt out of it by stepping out in the hall or something.

    In fact instead of schools leading prayer it should be individual teachers that lead the prayer based on the faith in that particular class room as prayer is ineffective if you’re heart isn’t right.

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    [...] Re: How Obama Turned America into Venezuela President Obama did not turn America into anything. We did it to ourselves the VERY MOMENT that we officially embarked down the road to remove God from our society starting in 1962 and finalised in 1963 (there were actually 2 cases heard). Legalising of abortion was just another major step…. Here is the result: When Prayer Was Taken Out of School : Robin Sampson's Blog [...]

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    [...] via When Prayer Was Taken Out of School : Robin Sampson’s Blog. [...]

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    mooduu says:

    Whoa! This blog looks just like my old one!
    It’s on a entirely different topic but it has pretty much the same layout and design. Great choice of colors!

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    M. SAUNTER says:

    Please email this http please.

    When Prayer Was Taken Out of School
    By admin on Feb 04, 2008 in Homeschool
    In 1962, the Court examined a simple twenty-two word prayer, first used to negate prayer in schools:

    “Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon Thee, and we beg Thy blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers, and our country.”

    This simple prayer, said by children, acknowledged God. Americans’ indifference allowed the removal of prayer from our schools. This is but one of the steps toward complete destruction of America’s original Judeo-Christian educational system. This value-free environment has resulted in chaos.

    David Barton graphically illustrates how America has plummeted from righteous living, prosperity, and success in the last quarter-century. Consider the following charts compiled from his publication, America: America: To Pray or Not to Pray

    Since the 1962 removal of prayer:

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    Pastor Doris says:

    A Helpless Generation
    Exodus 32

    Subject: A generation that don’t want help

    Greeting young people, I come to you in the name of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ and by the power of the Holy Spirit that is in me. Our Father God has commanded that we go forth to teach all nations the word of the Lord in spirit and in truth. Young people we come together to worship, to pray, to understand, to acknowledge and uplift the name of Jesus. Our goal should be to do like Jesus did to help reconcile his people back to our Father: For we are engaging in the last times.

    Before we dive into this inspirational message let’s pray.

    Come Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of thy faithful and enkindle in them the fire of thy love. Send forth thy Spirit that he create in us a clean heart and a right spirit. Renew the face of the earth through those who love you. Oh God who did instruct the hearts of your faithful by the light of the Holy Spirit, to have a right judgment in all things, and ever rejoice in his consolation through Christ our Lord. Father God we ask you to fill our hearts again with a renewed fulfilling of your word afresh: That we might be past knowing that thou art God but understanding your ways and your thoughts: That you give us the spirit to recognize your voice and the spirit to adhere to it. We exalt you, and we hail you oh Lord our God. We glory in your name for we know that the anointing of God shall overtake and overflow those who know their God. We know of a surety that the anointing shall break the yoke of those who are in bondage. Heavenly Father we praise you and magnify you and we glorify you, and pray that every young soul that read this messaged is blessed and changed by your Spirit. Amen

    The Lord asked me to look at an old messaged that I preached some years ago, the Lord spoke to my spirit, telling me that its time that this word be heard again, that this generation need to hear it. As I searched the scriptures I heard Abba say, “there is a generation that don’t want my help. A generation that does not want his divine assistance and neither do they want to acknowledge him as their God. They must be warned!

    Lets look at this powerful story of Moses and the children of Israel in Exodus 32 which say:

    When the people saw that Moses delayed to come down from the mountain, the people gathered around Aaron, and said to him, “Come make gods for us, who shall go before us; as for this Moses, the man who brought us up out of the land of Egypt, we do not know what has become of him.” 2 Aaron said to them, “Take off the gold rings that are on the ears of your wives, your sons, and your daughters, and bring them to me.” 3 So all the people took off the gold rings from their ears, and brought them to Aaron. 4 He took the gold from them, formed it in a mold, and cast an image of a calf; and they said, “These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt! 5 When Aaron saw this he built an alter before it; and Aaron made proclamation and said, “Tomorrow shall be a festival to the Lord.” 6 They rose early the next day, and offered burnt offerings and brought sacrifices of well-being; and the people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to revel. 7. The Lord said to Moses “Go down at once! Your people, whom you brought up out of the land of Egypt, have acted perversely; 8 They have been quick to turn aside from the way that I commanded them; they have cast for themselves an image of a calf, and have worshiped it and sacrificed to it and said, “These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt!’ “9 The Lord said to Moses, “I have seen this people how stiff-necked they are. 10 Now let me alone, so that my wrath may burn hot against them and I may consume them; and of you I will make a great nation. From verse 11 to verse 13 Moses pleaded with God not to destroy his people. In verse 14 God changed his mind. (NSRV) Boy that was a close call for the children of Israel!

    The Israelites where just set free from the life of slavery in Egypt and after crossing the Red Sea they began to be disobedient to God. They began bowing down to hand made idols of gold made by Aaron, (Aaron represents a weak leader adhering to the people sins instead of being a good leader. Like many of our leaders today! They are listening to the people and not listening to God’s voice.) while Moses was on the Mount communing with God. Moses was talking with the Lord about the laws of the land. As God spoke to Moses, the Lord said to him get down, for the children of Israel have made them selves idols of gold. God was just about to destroy them with his anger when Moses interceded (prayed) for them and pleaded with God not to destroy his people. Moses left the presence of God to head down the mountain and return to his people. Moses could see from a far the children of Israel celebrating in wickedness; (Which a lot of you are doing today, not aware of your sins before God, partying at the club, sexing it up with strangers) Moses was so upset that he yelled at the people as he threw down to the ground the tabernacles made of stone which were written with the finger of God. Moses anger aroused because of their evil in God’s sight this was not the first time that the children of Israel aroused God’s anger with their idolatry. Each time Moses went up to the mountain the people would get discouraged and think that he was not coming down. (Just like a lot of you today, think that Jesus is not coming back soon.)
    Moses in his anger said: WHO IS ON THE LORD’S SIDE, LET THEM STAND HERE. The children of Israel that were on the Lord’s side; stood with Moses but the rest died: If people had only known the consequences of not being on the Lord’s side that day, I think everybody would have said they were on the Lord’s side, just so they could live and not die! Three thousand children of Israel that rebelled against God, died at the hands of the Levi’s that day! (Do you want to die or live?) It is time to change courses and put away the partying, profanity and evil imaginations and all your evil doings from you.

    Now in today’s time in the 21st century we have very different situations, yet some of the same type of attitudes about God as the children of Israel did when they were in the wilderness. Our children today are experiencing a kind of a spiritual wilderness, a place of destitution and depravity. Where the love God has waxed cold and the iniquities of the populous is high. Years ago in schools the children use to pray this prayer everyday “Almighty God, we acknowledge our dependence upon Thee, and we beg Thy blessings upon us, our parents, our teachers, and our country.” In 1963 an atheist woman protested because she did not want her atheist son praying this prayer to our God. So, the evils in authority took that prayer out of school and separated Church and state. Soon afterwards the chaos for our youth began. Children, who use to honor God, stopped. This abominable act has caused a major negative effect on our youth today. When you don’t honor and respect God in your life you don’t really honor or respect yourself or anyone for that matter. It is very easy to become rebellious and self willed in an environment where the presence of God is absent. This was a trick that the whole world fell for.

    The devil has replaced all good things with evils, such as ungodly cartoons, video games, weird and satanic music. Including TV shows that promote profanity, violence and horror, causing children to be fearful, lazy, lethargic, obese and sickly. The devil has caused the children to become pleasure seekers, turning to alcohol, illicit sex, pornography, cigarettes, erotic music and drugs. He is the reason so many youth are self centered and self indulged, causing many of the youth to be disobedient to their parents.

    Many of our parents are falling short as well. When there is no structure children do what they want. Parents aren’t enforcing or reinforcing prayer in the home. They are not asked to read their bibles or spend quality time with God in prayer or meditation. Mechanical devises (like MP3, Ipods, Ipads, Smart phones etc…) are plugged into the youths ears provoking them to walk around like zombies unaffected by current affairs and events. The media and radio through mind control are now parenting the children, advising them how to think, act and respond. Instead of parents teaching their children the way of God more perfectly, like Deuteronomy chapter 6 tells us. The government and schools are indoctrinating them on how to think.

    Parents are so focused on making money to support the child(ren) and the family they are forgetting the important values of teaching and being godly examples and role models. The children look to ungodly school teachers and perverse principles for guidance and instruction. Our youths core value and morals are being compromised through lack of self control and godly parental supervison. The enemy of God uses the media to deceive of our youth into idolizing celebrities, music icons, rap artist, and professional athletes. Just like the children of Israel who worshiped the calf in the wilderness our children are worshiping their favorite idol. And many of us are just standing by, doing nothing about it and letting our youth fall from the grace of God. I Timothy 5:15, For some are already turned aside after Satan.

    Our youth and teens appear to be in a comma, a planet all on their own about to self destruct; deficient of spiritual guidance. Their attitudes about God are similar to those of the children of Israel who thought Moses had left them and forgot about them. Our youth act like God is so far away, as though He can’t see, hear or touch them. Many of our younger generation don’t believe in God or acknowledge that a God even exist. Psalms 14:1 The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God, they are corrupt they have done abominable works, there is non that doeth good. The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God. They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no not one. This is what I call a helpless generation or lost generation. God is asking many of you the same question that Moses asked the children of Israel in that wilderness. Who is on the Lord side? Let him come close to God. Otherwise, whoever is not on the Lord’s side run the risk of loosing their life as they currently know it. Ezekiel 11:21 says But as for them whose heart walketh after the heart of their detestable things and their abominations, I will recompense their way upon their own heads, saith the Lord God.

    What exactly does Ezekiel mean and how does this reflect with the passage in Exodus 32?

    • First, no matter what your age is: we are to love God with all our heart, mind and soul, and remember all his commandments. Matthew 22:37

    • Second, we are not to serve other gods (idols, icons hip/hop artist, musicians, celebrities, professional athletes, cars, toys, movies, homes, friends, people etc…) In other words you are not to idolize (worship, exalt, praise) people, places or things. Deut 5:7

    • Third, if you turn from the living God and do evil in his sight you will pay the penalty of your sins. This is a bill many will not be able to foot, sin is very costly. Ezekiel 18:25

    • Fourth, you will die for your own sins you commit. Romans 6:23

    Exodus is a perfect example of how easy it is for children to turn away from the Lord when there is no true guidance leading them in the ways of God. Even though the Israelites were taught they still needed someone to watch over their souls constantly.

    This is why God sacrificed his only Son to pay for the price of sin; if we repent and turn back to God through his Son Jesus Christ then you can be saved. Isaiah 1:16 says, Wash ye, make you clean; put away the evil of your doings from before mine eyes; cease to do evil; learn to do well.

    But our youth have decided they no longer want to pray to God, they no longer want to communicate to our living and holy Heavenly Father. They no longer obey His word or his voice, his statue or laws. I am here today young brothers and sisters to write to you that you need to return (repent), you need to find out who side you are on, and who you are serving today.

    We live in a time where Jesus is our only help and hope! He is our only salvation. For the Spirit of God has spoken to this sinful and adulterous generation, and said in 2 Chronicles 7:14 if my people which are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.

    You ask me what has God, done for you lately? I ask you, what have your favorite artist done for you lately? Believe me when I tell you that God sacrificed his only Son for you, that you might have life and that more abundantly. John 3:16

    If it were not for Jesus you would not be here today, you would not have a mind to think with, ears, eyes or the ability to speak or hear. You would not have legs to walk with or fingers to write with. You would not have friends, parents, teachers, schools are anything of importance to you. Jesus is the reason you have hope today.

    So you want to know how to repent and have Jesus to be apart of your life? Well that’s a good question. All you have to do is do what Romans 10:9-10 says to do. That if you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God have raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. For with the heart man believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Oh yeah, once you accept Christ as your personal savior do not be ashamed of him in front of your parents friends, associates or co-workers etc… You ask why, well the bible says in Romans 9:33 whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. Also consider this Luke 9:26, For whosever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed when He shall come in his own glory, and in his Father’s and of the holy angels. You ask what does this mean, just don’t be embarrassed because you decided to live for Jesus. When your class mates or neighborhood buddies make fun of you because you don’t do what they do. Stand strong in your faith and know that evil will take you to a place you don’t want to go when you die. Don’t be afraid to tell others about your faith in Jesus. As a matter of fact tell as many people about Jesus as you can.

    Now that you have repented what’s next? You need to find a good church home and be discipled according to the words of God. You need to pray every day and read your bible everyday. Ask God in Jesus name to lead you in all your ways, so you can please the Lord God in all that you do. Psalms 119:11 Your words have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against you. Blessed art you O Lord: teach me your statutes.

    Just a side note: The devil is real and he is your enemy and God’s enemy, he wants to deceive and trick you into being disobedient to God. Hell (Hades, Sheol, the Lake of Fire) is real; it was not created for you or me. It was created for the devil and all his angels that were disobedient to God in the beginning of time. Hell is a place of torment and constant punishment where sinners/non-believers goes when they die. I know it’s scary, just talking about it, but you need to know that if you live in sin you will go there when your life ends on the earth. So make a good decision choose God and follow His Son Jesus our Lord and include him in all that you do. Pray about everything, nothing is too hard for God. Besides he wants to be involved in every part of your life. No matter what it is, let God in.

    Remember you are never too young to serve the Lord God.

    God Speed young person.

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    Cheryl says:

    I was a senior in a kentucky school when prayer was banned in our schools. I remember some teachers crying and telling us that we could no longer have prayer in homeroom. I didn’t realize the impact that it would have on future students. It was a gray September morning in 1963. I will never forget that day!

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